Ndumo
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I picked up an interesting phenomenon on the leopard charge thread. It seems that people experience charges rather different. So far, all clients that where with me during a charge, confirmed “my” way of experiencing it:
“From the client screws up shot at leopard threat, I posted: I have always found that charges looks to be in slow motion when they happen to you, but are normally over so quick that it really should be an instinctive reflex action how you deal with them- a fight or flight decision in less than 0.5 seconds.”
I am not sure if the clients just agreed that is how they have experienced it, or if they experienced it more like Shakari:
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Interesting what you say about the charge. For some strange reason, I can never remember the charge itself. I always remember spotting the animal and identifing the charge and I always remember the moments after the shot and the animal is down.......... but the bit in between, including the shot itself, is always a complete blank........ Christ knows why, but that's the way it is with me.
Who has experienced a charge, and what was your experience? What distance and animal?
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500Nitro
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Karl
Very interesting thread.
I've used Australian Buffalo and Scrub Bulls
in place of Cape Buffalo ?
If so, I will put up my thoughts.
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500Nitro
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How do you put up more than one ?
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Ndumo
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500, you are allowed more than one choice. If buff only, it still gives multiple options on the rest
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Ripp
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Good post--just took your test--it would appear I must think similar to you as well
Take care
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DUGABOY1
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The animal was a cape buffalo.
I remember it clearly, however it did seem in slow motion!
It started at about 20 yds,we heard him snort, and start, but we couldn't see him till he broke cover at about 15 yds.
Four shots were fired on him, two from the PH's 375 H&H bolt rifle, and two from my 500/450Ne double rifle. First two shots in the center of the chest, one from each rifle, then two into the head one from each rifle, putting him down with a brain drain. Momentum carried him to a stop at our feet.
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I don't know if it's in the same catagory or not, but back in my Deputy Sheriff days I had a rottweiler set on me by a guy I was trying to arrest for domestic abuse. Beat his wife to a bloody pulp.
The guy ran into a dark alley where his truck was parked. I heard his truck door open and then saw a dark shadow charging me. I could see this great snarling dog coming at me in what seemed to be slow motion. My handgun was holstered and all I had was a maglite in my hand. I struck the dog on top of the head just as it got to me. The blow crushed the dogs skull. The dead dog went down with his teeth in my shirt, but not my belly, dragging me to the ground.
At the Police academy 10 years earlier, we had been taught how to strike a charging dog. I had not thought of or practiced the technique since that training.
It seem to me to occur in slow motion, but it was over in seconds and my actions were all reactive. And the Jury wouldn't find the guy quilty of assault with a deadly weapon-dog.
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500Nitro
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Karl, I think once you have done it you can't do it again
- well I can't anyway !!!
I remember my 2 main ones.
one was a Cow buff that was running away, then turned
and came straight for me. I got down on one knee and waited until she got to 15 yards and then fired. Hit her in the neck and turned her.
I wouldn't say it was slow motion but it seemed a while
for her to get real close.
2nd was a Scrub bull that i was chasing parrallel and it heard my mate shout, turned and came at me from 22 yards. I had the gun up and fired, 1 shot, forehead just above and left of the eye, it dropped stone dead within 8 yards from where it started the charge. Quickest snap shot I have ever done and can still clearly remember seeing it's bulging eye in the scope before I fired.
I will say that both times I had tunnel vision, very focussed and was damn glad I had thought through and practised what I would do in that situation - and it worked !!!
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This is a message from West Africa ! I hunt buffalo's in Burkina Faso !
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I've been charged suddenly, and twice, at that! I was charged, with no provocation, by Cabelas a few months ago for a gun purchase, and again 2 weeks ago for a scope. Thing came at me out of nowhere! My wife says I'm lucky to be alive!! 
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Ndumo
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This is a message from West Africa ! I hunt buffalo's in Burkina Faso !
grand, I would love to do a hunt there sometime!
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I've been charged suddenly, and twice, at that! I was charged, with no provocation, by Cabelas a few months ago for a gun purchase, and again 2 weeks ago for a scope. Thing came at me out of nowhere! My wife says I'm lucky to be alive!!
Der Jaeger, that was the funniest post I have read in a long while! Keep up the good work!
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Edited by Ndumo (28/04/09 05:47 AM)
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I always remember the mock charges and/or wind up (if there was one) to the charge but the bit between my thumb flicking the safety off and the animal laying dead is always a complete blank. I don't even remember the noise or the recoil of the shot or anything else.
One moment, he's coming and the next thing I remember is seeing the animal dead in front of me.
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Der_Jaeger - Now that was funny ! ! especially the wife part ! 
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I've been charged suddenly, and twice, at that! I was charged, with no provocation, by Cabelas a few months ago for a gun purchase, and again 2 weeks ago for a scope. Thing came at me out of nowhere! My wife says I'm lucky to be alive!!
Funny!
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I've been charged suddenly, and twice, at that! I was charged, with no provocation, by Cabelas a few months ago for a gun purchase, and again 2 weeks ago for a scope. Thing came at me out of nowhere! My wife says I'm lucky to be alive!!
How do you handle a situation like that?
I once tried to veer off a similar charge with my credit card but to no avail! I survived by my wallet took a serious blow, indeed.
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Well guys, all you can do, and should do, during a dangerous charging incident like the one I survived at Cabelas, is to knock the dust off your pants, grit your teeth, and confront the dangerous charge again. After a while, you gain the confidence you need to face any charge, even that for a pricey double rifle, with confidence! With experience, you can enable others to do the same 
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500Nitro
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Der J
I MENTALLY prepared so that when it happened, I knew what i would do and had practised it.
That way you don;t get flustered.
like the military says, train hard, fight easy, the same applies to practising at facing charges IMHO.
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I cannot claim great "being charged" experience here, but in 30 odd years of various types of hunting, I have been charged by Water Buffalo twice, and was sort of charged once when I got in the way of one that was rapidly departing after she was hit.
For those who have never been charged, "Please don’t think that this kind of thing happens every time you are out hunting dangerous game". IMO a charge situation should not occur every time you hunt, despite what is portrayed on some videos. I hope all you out there who have done many many times more big game hunting than I ever will, will agree to that.
But charges do sometimes happen and if one does, it will be a memorable moment to say the least. The un-eventful parts of the hunt seem to fade considerably compared to a time when a serious charge occurred.
I put down my first charge at 10 feet in some real thick stuff with a single shot 375 JDJ handgun (back in my younger days when I had more balls than brains  ) I gave him three more the ground, to make sure he stayed dead!
Second one was ended with a Jeffery 450/400 double at about 10 yards. I let him come a bit to make sure of him and managed to belt him fair in the fore-head. Dropped him cold with the first shot. Gave him another couple on the ground to make sure of him too!
The one I got in the way of was stopped at 6 yards with the same 450/400 double (that was at night in the moonlight, but that’s another story). Had some assistance with that one, a good mate with a 458. We were side by side and both fired at the same time, Buff went down for keeps, problem solved.
Each of these was a very serious situation (any real charge not serious) so please excuse me if I sound blasé, I don't mean to be. The only other person to really know how I really felt would have been the person who did my laundry....
I guess I was lucky with my first experience, but after that I became a great believer in preparing for the un-expected. So I do agree whole-heartedly with what several others here have posted about practicing for the event should it ever happen.
Expect the best but prepare for the worst.
Enjoy your hunting; unfortunately our bodies are un-able to hunt forever.
Can't wait to chase ol’ Bubalus bubalis again though, heading off in late June
Alex
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PS – As usual, I’m open to correction if someone thinks it's needed.
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500Nitro
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For those who have never been charged, "Please don’t think that this kind of thing happens every time you are out hunting dangerous game". IMO a charge situation should not occur every time you hunt, despite what is portrayed on some videos. I hope all you out there who have done many many times more big game hunting than I ever will, will agree to that.
Totally agree.
out of 100+ buffalo, 1 Serious charge, 1 would have charged so I shot at a distance before he even got going (he was a known angry bull !!!).
Out of 2 Scrub bulls, 1 Charge !!!
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I have not been charged by DG yet, lucky! But had full blown charges by warthog and blue wildebeest. Both were intending to hurt us bad and luckily with both incidents there was no real damage except a broken toe from one client. 
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Nothing in Africa, but in Australia have been charged by a blind rabbit and a wounded hog deer. Well they were actually just running away and I was in the way. Both times these deadly beasts would have had me. 
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shakari
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John,
Is a hog deer the same as a muntjac deer?
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500Nitro
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John,
Is a hog deer the same as a muntjac deer?
No, different.
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shakari
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Just found it here: http://www.austdeer.com.au/deer.php#HOG
I'd never realised you guys had so many different deer over there!
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