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OK! The 450/400 is a cartridge for double's! I never saw a hunter with a double in central Asia!

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you should keep better company then

you can also chamber it in really nice single shots, and still keep away from bolt trash.


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A good balance! The 300Winch.Mag. is, in my opinion a little bit too light for medium game at long range!

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Light: .300 H&H Magnum
Medium: .375 H&H Magnum
Heavy: .458 Winchester Magnum, .500 Jeffery or .500 NE

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Just about perfect!
The only change I would make is taking the .500Jeff over the .458.
With that change, your choices are creeping up on the 100yr old mark! NICE!
Of course, these can, and have, taken virtually every game species on Earth!

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Yes! In France you can only use your 375H&H! For the high mountain's you need a another one! That's the problem for all people!

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My opinion!

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Roy Weatherby used one to take a cape buffalo, an extreme example but done none the less..really not much more extreme than a .275 used for elephant..


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Roy Weatherby used one to take a cape buffalo, an extreme example but done none the less..really not much more extreme than a .275 used for elephant..


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Ripp - did you see the picture of Roy with that Cape Buffalo? It was on his catolog back in the 70's with him pointing at the gash wound his .257 made on the Buffalo's hip. Unfortunately, his claim to killing with hydrostatic shock didn't quite fit to the double .470 holes in the shoulder. I guess they didn't think anyone would notice. I did. I-too think, witht he proepr bullets, the .257 Weatherby or .300 mags would be just fine as would a .257 Roberts or .25/06. It all comes down to the bullet and it's placement. We carry heavier guns to sort out the odd problems that occur.

Someone who doesn't do a lot of shooting, some of which is at long range, has no buisness in shooting long range, no matter what they are shooting.

As you said, the bullet or the ctg. gets the blame - EVERY TIME and this happens way to often.

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Daryl,

I did see that picture--a really good friend of mine is a Weatherby collector--so he has all the info, photos, etc...f

Maybe those big holes in the buff's shoulder were "special" bullets for the .257--

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any weatherby cartg. revolts me in the same way as young new rich russians driving a ferrai with the sound system so loud that they have to roll the windows down.

if you cant reach out far enough crawl closer or shoot more so you get to know your bullet drop better. the old guys could do it, why should we be any worse.

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I finally made my choices after a lot of experimentation.
Light Rifle - .30-06 Too heavy for some game but workable in about any situation.
Medium Rifle - .375 Ruger - A GREAT elk round and up with similar trajectory to the .30-06
Heavy Rifle - .458 Win Mag I simply will never need a heavier rifle than this and recoil remains manageable.

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Light: .30-06
Medium: .375 ruger
Heavy: .458 lott

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06 at 700 yds still has plenty of velocity and energy to tip over any ram or billy with the 180 gr projectile.

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06 at 700 yds still has plenty of velocity and energy to tip over any ram or billy with the 180 gr projectile.

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But lacks the veloctiy to expand the projectile properly - same with most mangleums. imho

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And no penetration! 500 yards is the limit for shooting game! Tactical shooting is a another department!

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Light: .300 H&H Magnum
Medium: .375 H&H Magnum
Heavy: .458 Winchester Magnum, .500 Jeffery or .500 NE

If I were to add one more, it would be a 7X57 for smaller plains game.

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I didnt think a huge deal of the Paradox figure`s that H+H have and IMO would rather something else to trudge around with.
I wonder how much of that energy is left at 100 yards?

Bullet weight: 12-bore = 740 grains / 48 gram
Bullet diameter: .735" (Fosbery Pattern, solid lead)
Muzzle velocity: *1050 ft./sec. / 320 m/sec.
Muzzle energy: *1840 ft./lbs. / 2500 joules
Service pressure: 3 ¼ tons " / 850 bar
Cartridge case: 12-bore 2 ½" / 65mm
1 leaf zeroed to p.o.a. @ 50 yards / (45-50m)
+ 2nd leaf to p.o.a. @ 100 yards / (90 - 100m)

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Bullet weight: 12-bore = 740 grains / 48 gram
Bullet diameter: .735" (Fosbery Pattern, solid lead)
Muzzle velocity: *1050 ft./sec. / 320 m/sec.
Muzzle energy: *1840 ft./lbs. / 2500 joules
Service pressure: 3 ¼ tons " / 850 bar
Cartridge case: 12-bore 2 ½" / 65mm

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Now, regarding my statement that if I was limited to the 375H&H and a Paradox gun I wouldn't be bad off at all. Noting the Paradox gun's poor suitability for deep penetration in dangerous game and its limited range, I would choose the 375H&H for those tasks. But, when walking about the bush for nearly anything else, the Paradox is a boon. Add to that the ability to shoot bird shot and the two guns, a 375H&H and a Paradox, would complement each other nicely.

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I nearly added a 12 bore paradox instead of the 270 but you had already covered it.

As to your statement above; The more things change, the more they are the same or Like minds think the same thoughts, may be appropriate here.
In 1904 Lady Jenkins went on a one woman Shikari into both Tibets carrying a 375 (2 1/2") and a paradox. She chronicled the events in her book:





and her paradox



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Grenadier I was having my entitled too opinion, thus no need to take anything I posted as a personal attack on a Paradox Gun choice.


As far as this below Q:

Yes, the Paradox does have its limitations. The soft lead bullet expands too easily for penetrating thick skin and buffalo shoulders. And, it is not very practical beyond 100 yards but what large bore double gun is? EQ:


I`m sure there has to be a few large bore double guns out there capable of 100 plus yards!

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The reason I picked these three is they are so versitile.If you choose 2 bullet weights for each you have 6 rifles if you go with QD mounts and a couple of scopes.


7x57 120g & 175g covers 270-3006
9.3x62 250g TSX & 320g Woodleigh covers 3006-375h&h
404j 350g Woodleigh and 450g Woodleigh (I would just use the Woodleigh 400g Hydro for anything in the world)!!.Covers 375h&h-458.

JUST MY OPINION !!!.
Cheers Neale.

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Neale, I really like your choice, but you would be faced with a Problem if hunting New Caledonia as although the 7x57 would be a great Rusa round, it is a military calibre which is not allowed there.
A couple ways out; Take the 9.3 with light rounds, possibly register the 7x57 as a 275 or just get a 7x64 which makes better use of a M98s Mag anyway.

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