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Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double
      #130513 - 26/03/09 11:09 AM

Hi Folks,
This is my first post here, I hope I put it in the right place and so on.

Last fall I bought a W.J. Jeffery double rifle from a friend that had owned it for a very long time. I do not have a lot of information on the rifle and I would like to find out more including appropriate loads and so on.
It is a boxlock, hammerless rifle with a top opener and extractors. The bores and chambers look nearly mint, they are 25" long, shiny and the rifling is deep with no marks or pits. The exterior appears to have been refinished at some point. There is one standing leaf sight with two folders marked 100 and 150.
I have not been able to find out much about, I have been told it was made or left Jeffery in March of 1898. That is about it. Marked on the bottom of the block is .577 Ex. It then says .577 Magnum 3 1/4" case, 650 grain bullet, 6 1/2 Drams #6 Powder.
On top of the barrels is the W.J Jeffery address of 13 King Street St. James London.
The lockup is very tight and solid. The feel and sound when it closes is beautiful.
I have been working up loads a bit but I have not shot it much yet.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Yukon577]
      #130515 - 26/03/09 11:18 AM


yukon

Do you have the serial number ?

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: 500Nitro]
      #130518 - 26/03/09 11:57 AM

What does the overall gun weigh and what is the weight of the barrels. Sounds like a nice gun.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: jaz]
      #130520 - 26/03/09 12:14 PM

The serial # is 590?.
The rifle weighs about 12 lbs. The barrels seem very heavy at the breach, thicker it looks than most I have seen pictures of. At the muzzles they seem average from pictures I have been looking at.
I have an older James Braddell cape gun in .577 Snider and the muzzles on the Jeffery are much heavier. In fact, the whole action, barrels and everything are far beefier.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Yukon577]
      #130525 - 26/03/09 01:59 PM

Typical Jeffery.

Welcome to the NE.com!

I just got a .577 2 3/4" express and followed in the footsteps of many.

A time honored formula is 40% weight of black in IMR4198.

1 drams = 27.3 grains, then 27.3gr * 6.5dr * .4 = 71 grains of IMR4198.

With foam of felt as fillers.

This is a starting load. Increase/decrease by one grain at a time until it regulates.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: bonanza]
      #130531 - 26/03/09 03:35 PM

Sounds like a great rifle with the best of both worlds for sentient shooters: a hammerless you can carry that's still big enough for almost everything without kicking you stupid.

Cheers

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Paul]
      #130532 - 26/03/09 03:44 PM

Quote:

Sounds like a great rifle with the best of both worlds for sentient shooters: a hammerless you can carry that's still big enough for almost everything without kicking you stupid.

Cheers




nice enough to carry, yes, my 500 NE's weight 12 - 13lbs.

But a 577 3 1/4"

Fuck is all I can say, it will boot when it lets go IMHO.

The good thing is Jeffrey knew how to make good, balanced guns.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: 500Nitro]
      #130547 - 26/03/09 10:18 PM

Yukon:
That rifle will be simply wonderful in the hunting field. Proved for the 650gr bullet and the heavier BP load, it would make a marvellous 'nitro for black' big game rifle. Take a look at the Woodleigh 'Weldcore' RN soft with the thin jacket (for BP rifles), its a ripper!

Being a new poster here you may not have seen my opinion of the calibre, which everyone else is sick of hearing! (sorry fellas!)

Welcome to the forums BTW, and to the exclusive .577 club!

PS: W.J.Jeffery really knew how to put a nice hunting rifle together, and his makers were second to none IMHO. We had a long thread on Jeffery doubles a while back, if you're interested in some bedside reading!

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Marrakai]
      #130588 - 27/03/09 05:56 AM

Thanks for the welcome.
I have sourced a few boxes of the Woodleigh 650 grain RN for BP rifles. I also have a number of cast bullets in similar weights and lighter. I will try a few out and see how they shoot. I was very impressed with the consistency and accuracy in the 30 our so rounds I got to shoot last fall. At 50Meters they were all grouping together. I need to get more time out to say much more about how it shoots. I am used to heavy rifles and this double kicks quite heavily.
I have not shot this rifle much yet, but I hope to now that the temperatures are getting up where it's nice to go out shooting again.
We have some heavy game here, I hope to get a chance to hunt with it.
How would I find out more details about my rifle? And if mine was made in 1898, when would they have started proofing these things for Nitro or Cordite?
I will get some pictures to post also.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Yukon577]
      #130589 - 27/03/09 06:01 AM


Yukon

Yes, IMHO it could well have been proofed for Nitro if built for it.

I'd like to see the photos of it.

the first 600 and a similar gun but in 577 NE were built at the same time, which is why I asked for the serial number.

No one could get it to shot until they tried a full Nitro load in it and then it went perfectly so it will be interesting to see if you ever try a Nitro load if your gun shoots - or a 75% Nitro for Black load ????

I have some copies of the Jeffrey records from that time period, I just have to find the damn things !!!!

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: 500Nitro]
      #130591 - 27/03/09 06:15 AM

I will try to get some pictures but I didn't see Nitro or Cordite anywhere on it.
The loads I tried using a lighter bullet shot together at 50 Meters but quite high. I have just a copy of the page on the cartridge from the book "Shooting the British Double Rifle" and there it gives a load of 130 grains of IMR 4350. I did load some up with 120 grains and 125 grains. It was these last loads that I found kicked heavily. They did all shoot together and right on the standing sight at 50 Meters. I have more of these and will try shooting more of them when I can get it out.
Does anyone have this book? It is out of print now and I have not been able to find one in stock anywhere. Any info is appreciated.
I would really be interested in seeing anything from the Jeffery records.
Thanks.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Yukon577]
      #130592 - 27/03/09 06:18 AM


Yukon

The 577 I was talking about has no cordite proof marks
either and it was only when someone tried a full 577 load
that it shot.

The book "Shooting the British Double Rifle" is readily available.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: 500Nitro]
      #130595 - 27/03/09 06:31 AM

I see. I would have to assume that by 1898 they would be making and proofing rifles for Nitro, they wouldn't be making other rifles weaker sensibly. The barrels are heavy fluid steel and the action seems very large. But that is about all I know on the subject.
I have been searching for the book, but it is out of stock in all the places I have tried. Maybe it's time to try again. If someone has one for sale, I would gladly buy it.
Thanks for the help. Is there more loading data for this cartridge in this book or others?

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Yukon577]
      #130597 - 27/03/09 07:10 AM


The 577 3 1/4" is a rare cartridge from what I can gather.

Expecially around that time when Jeffrey were doing the 600NE
- OR at least developing it.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: 500Nitro]
      #130598 - 27/03/09 07:49 AM

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The 577 3 1/4" is a rare cartridge from what I can gather.

Expecially around that time when Jeffrey were doing the 600NE
- OR at least developing it.



According to Hoyms book, the 3 1/4" .577BPE was listed up around to 1925 with 560-650 grain bullets, offered by Westley Richards.
Charged with 65-75 grain cordite or 160-167 grain black

I know one day a prime speciem of a .577BPE doublerifle is to found in my gunsafe

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: rigbymauser]
      #130600 - 27/03/09 08:02 AM

You have to be prepared to buy it when you see it. Deal with the finacial consequences latter.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Yukon577]
      #130601 - 27/03/09 08:03 AM

Time to post some pictures fellow.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: rigbymauser]
      #130602 - 27/03/09 08:05 AM

Hi Yukon , Welcome ! I have been looking for a Hammerless 577 for a while , I have a hammered T. Bland which is great , just would like a hammerless !

Is yours one of these ? both Jefferies 577BPE 3 1/4 " one 1898 and one 1897 and one took a 177Gr load of BP with 650Gr slug

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Sarg]
      #130603 - 27/03/09 08:24 AM

Hi Neighbor!
If you can hold off getting the DR book for a bit, Mr Wright should be releasing the 3rd edition soon. We're having a group buy of it here to get signed copies of it. If you need it right now there is le at gunbroker.com but it's priced way high IMO.
That sounds like you've found a dandy DR!

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Edited by AkMike (27/03/09 08:26 AM)

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: AkMike]
      #130606 - 27/03/09 09:11 AM

Sarg,
I think the top pictures you posted are my gun. If not, it is identical down to condition, grain in the butt and the recoil pad. Where are those pictures from?
I could likely wait a bit on the book. I would like to get in on that order of the third edition.
Thanks.

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Yukon577]
      #130608 - 27/03/09 09:26 AM

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Sarg,Where are those pictures from?



The pics show http://www.gunsinternational.com/index.cfm


edit; I just did a quick search there and found this one.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/W-J-Jef...un_id=100066094

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Yukon577]
      #130610 - 27/03/09 09:33 AM

I thought it would be , It was for sell in Canada in the last couple of years !

Is the fore end shorter than normal or just the photo angle ?

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: AkMike]
      #130611 - 27/03/09 09:34 AM

I don't see the pics of the top gun on that link. The top gun looks to be my rifle, but I am sure mine has not been listed, I bought it privately in my hometown last fall.
Ahh, that is the explanation. I do know he was thinking on selling it awhile. I am sure that is my rifle.

Edited by Yukon577 (27/03/09 09:38 AM)

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Yukon577]
      #130612 - 27/03/09 09:40 AM

The forend does seem short. It is checkered entirely over the whole forend and right out to the end around where the metal for the release lever is inlaid into it.
Looking at the picture of the forend of the other Jeffery 3 1/4" on that link. My forend is shorter and the release lever is shorter also.

Edited by Yukon577 (27/03/09 09:44 AM)

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Re: Jeffery .577 3 1/4" double [Re: Yukon577]
      #130635 - 27/03/09 01:54 PM

Yukon,

You must post pictures here and show her off. Over here it is the best way to get help from several highly experienced and knowledgeable members who take the time to offer their expertise. And, don;t you want to get everyone else happy to see a work of the gunmaker's art?

Welcome to the Nitroexpress Forums and good hunting. You will enjoy your stay here.

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