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Good article but, I gotta tell you, this quote is absolutely absurd!!!!

"Does the sub eight pound Hawkeye kick behind the big .416 Ruger cartridge? You betcha, but it is not severe, not bone jarring and less than I have experienced with my own heavy .375 H&H express guns".

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Hey! I write lots of absurd things, but this doesn't happen to be one of those times. I handload for, and shoot, four .375 H&H guns. There is a big difference between felt recoil and generated recoil. The .416 Ruger produces approx 74 ft/lbs of recoil, the .375 H&H guns approx 54. The effects of recoil are exponential, so the .416 Ruger is clearly the heavy theoretical kicker in the bunch.

Of the .375s, a CZ handles recoil well as does a Mauser custom I've had for some time. Much older M700 Remington and M70 Winchester rifles leave me with leave me with a deeply bruised rotator cuff and a sore cheekbone after extended range sessions. Probably a function of pull length and the drop of thee heel from stock centerline and barrels that rise sharply under recoil. The Ruger stock pull is a little linger and as straight under the bore as a 2x6. It comes straight back. The Hogue stock does not have an integral aluminum frame, just fiberglass reinforced polymer which probably absorbs shock in accordion fashion, plus the recoil pad is made of very absorbent Sorbothane blend. The Haweye just doesn't feel like much when it kicks. Sharp, short and over.

I would say the same about the larger Weatherby guns. A .416 with or without brake is pretty much a pussy cat to shoot, as is the .338-378 with heavy loads. A marlin Guide Gun loaded with Buffalo Bore loads is severe and last year I ended up with a fracture shooting a .500 Jeffery from the bench during load development. The Ruger really is an enjoyable gun to shoot. You won't doze under recoil, but it just doesn't feel that bad.

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Joe4570,

I didn't realize you were registered here?!?!

Just an FYI, I really enjoy your reviews and writing style. Not too many writers left that inject a bit of humor and self deprecation when writing. My hat is off to you.

v/r

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I've always thought the 9 pound .375H&H comes back with about 40-42 pounds, while a 9 pound .458 is around 56-58 pounds & a .460 WTBY is around 86. Considering the .577 Nitro is around 160 and the 4 bore at just over 200, I assume the .416 Ruger is somewhere in there with the 'light' kickers.

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The pressure of these new Rugers are getting pretty high in my view. 62,000 lbs

The Rigby can hold that much powder (132 gr) but no one I know loads it that much. Mt CZ shoots a 400 gr TSX or Partition at 2420 ft/s with 100 gr RL-15 in its 24 1/2 inch bbl. And at much much lower pressures.

I remain to be convinced of the greatness of the Ruger rounds. Smaller and compact - for sure. But you have to push the envelope somewhere with the denser round - pressure would be that envelope. I am sure it is safe, but your margin for error must be shrinking. I am still willing to carry that extra 1-2 lbs to allow for low pressures and long nosed bullets, and a lesser recoil.

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Low pressure is fine if you can handle the recoil, but I'd rather be shooting 84gr. of powder than 100gr. when we're getting the same ballistics.

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That's an interesting way of putting it

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I don't know why some think 62,000psi is too high for Africa or hot climates anywhere - .270Win, 7mm and .300 mags all of them - Weatherby ctgs. - all run 62,000 to 63,000psi as well as the .416 Taylor andother wildcats - 63,000psi - no problem with correct powders. Even my daughters .260 and my .375 IMP, 9.3x62- they all run 63,000psi - normal pressure. I guess if you say 50,000 to 55,000CUP or CIP, it sounds better.

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Agree and have always felt it is a load of BS in most cases..hear the same BS about the .416 Rem--have shot litterally shot hundreds of 416 Rem's in hot weather--both here in the US and in Africa..knock on wood..but no problems what so ever--even with the "cheap" Remington extractors..

Have installed a Sako on it now and the other is a mauser action --but again, no problems with either...

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I don't know why some think 62,000psi is too high for Africa or hot climates anywhere - .270Win, 7mm and .300 mags all of them - Weatherby ctgs. - all run 62,000 to 63,000psi as well as the .416 Taylor andother wildcats - 63,000psi - no problem with correct powders. Even my daughters .260 and my .375 IMP, 9.3x62- they all run 63,000psi - normal pressure. I guess if you say 50,000 to 55,000CUP or CIP, it sounds better.

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I chalk it up to too much propaganda.

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Well said!

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Agree and have always felt it is a load of BS in most cases..hear the same BS about the .416 Rem--have shot litterally shot hundreds of 416 Rem's in hot weather--both here in the US and in Africa..knock on wood..but no problems what so ever--even with the "cheap" Remington extractors..

Have installed a Sako on it now and the other is a mauser action --but again, no problems with either...

Ripp

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photo caption This sight should be enough to give any PH sleepless nights. Its the bolt face of a push-feed Remington 700 action minus its extractor! Excessive chamber pressure caused the bolt to freeze right in the middle of an elephant hunt. The extractor was ripped off while attempting to shuck a .416 Remington Mag case, effectively turning the rifle into a club! From a PH's perspective, this is most definitely not the type of bolt action to use on dangerous game.

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