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empirevr
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Is this b*ggered? I think so........
#127176 - 15/02/09 10:35 PM

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...erarchyId=10473

What do you chaps think?

I'd take it for less.......

Is it salvageable at all?

What nincompoop decided to leave it in their cellar next to the radiator I dread to think.......

Ben

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500Nitro
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: empirevr]
#127177 - 15/02/09 10:46 PM

The outside of the barrels are not a problem if refinished.

You may still have some pitts but that's not a major problem.

MY big worry is the barrels and Lumps, alot of RUST around the joins so they could be buggered inside and it could have gone
all the way down the inside of the ribs.

Just my HO.

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Der_Jaeger
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: 500Nitro]
#127178 - 15/02/09 10:56 PM

Personally,

I would shy away from this gun and not be lured in by the figure in the walnut. To me, a gun to restore means maybe refinishing the wood, adding spacers, pads, maybe recheckering, etc.... The metal would have to be perfect. You can always have the gun looked at by a qualified smith during your inspection period. The screws are in surprisingly good shape considering the condition of the rest of the gun. I do agree with 500Nitro in that the rust can be in places that you would never be able to detect.

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empirevr
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: 500Nitro]
#127179 - 15/02/09 10:59 PM

Agreed.......

Plus sorry but I find it hard to believe the bores are ok at all.....first place to rust in my salty-aired country's experience.

That used to be a beauty........what a shame.

Its really worth $1000 as is dont you think? I mean crikey........

Ben

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500Nitro
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: empirevr]
#127180 - 15/02/09 11:07 PM

Sorry, I forgot to add that I wouldn't buy it.

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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: 500Nitro]
#127181 - 15/02/09 11:17 PM

That gun is VERY restorable in my opinion. I have seen much, much worse come back to life. The pits do not look that deep if you blow the pictures up to full size. The wood appears sound, and lots of black powder guns have less than perfect bores and still shoot fine. I actually think it will sell pretty quickly. If I was looking for another project, I think this would be a good one.
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peter
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: bouldersmith]
#127183 - 15/02/09 11:24 PM

im with bouldersmith, besides the price i would have this one in a heartbeat, the price however is twice to three times what you could get one for at the auctions in london.

best regards

peter

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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: 500Nitro]
#127186 - 16/02/09 12:28 AM

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Sorry, I forgot to add that I wouldn't buy it.

Ditto here..

Somethings regardless of price, ain`t worth touching, and that old style high profile hammer .577 is one of them.

A newby collector would find good because it does "smell" a little bit of the better, but a seasoned collector wouldn`t wouldn`t care much...for him that level was passed years ago

Here is a much better compromise:

http://www.champlinarms.com/Default.aspx...3&GunID=856

Edited by rigbymauser (16/02/09 12:42 AM)

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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: rigbymauser]
#127191 - 16/02/09 01:29 AM

I'm no doublegun aficionado but I've seen far worse with other types of guns that nevertheless possessed pristine bores. Guns used to come into the shop all the time that had been stored in a barn, pistols wrapped in a cloth, etc, where the outside was rough as a cob and the bores perfect.

Probably because the old-timer ran a greasy patch through it before leaning it against the grain bin and suffering the heart attack that caused it to remain there for the next 50 years...

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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: 9.3x57]
#127200 - 16/02/09 02:59 AM

I have seen guns with crap bores that shoot great! For 3K it is a deal. Just get Cabelas to agree to take it back if it does not shoot.

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empirevr
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ *DELETED* [Re: 500grains]
#127201 - 16/02/09 03:08 AM

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empirevr
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: empirevr]
#127202 - 16/02/09 03:13 AM

Well....

Why dont one of you guys buy it???

I have a thing about the 577 to be honest regardless of having the 500.........

How would you ever clean her up?

I have my eye on the auctions now.......Holts above all.

Peter, you got all yours there didnt you???

Thanks

Ben

Excuse this miss-post bloody keyboard is odd.

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Huvius
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: peter]
#127204 - 16/02/09 03:21 AM

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im with bouldersmith, besides the price i would have this one in a heartbeat, the price however is twice to three times what you could get one for at the auctions in london.

I agree with you except the costs of getting a gun into the US from a London auction can get high quickly so it is just about not worth bidding on the lower priced stuff.

IMO, if they had just thoroughly cleaned this gun - scrub the engraving etc., it would sell much quicker. Heck, wouldn't take much to get the barrels down to "in the white" for the next owner to finish to his liking. Also, not knowing the chamber length seems silly.

One thing this gun has going for it is the wood looks high around almost all of the metal and was a high grade gun to begin with. Well worth a restoration to my mind.

I hate when stuff like this comes available - too tempting - keeps me from saving for higher grade rifles - and I do crave a .577BPE...

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empirevr
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: Huvius]
#127205 - 16/02/09 03:26 AM

As do I....

But after eyeing the auction results at Holts I no longer fear my chances!

But this is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind of course.......nice weight, top quality......if it was $1000 it would already be mine. Of course then I would be left paying shipping from the US to Italy etc. Oh dear.

Ben

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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: empirevr]
#127207 - 16/02/09 03:44 AM

I didn't notice you were in Itlay.
So you have the same issues we have in getting a gun from outside the country.
Being a pre 1899 gun helps here though. The way I see it, if this was hammered down in a London auction for say 1200GBP, plus 20% buyers premium, plus say $600 shipping and customs, you are at $2650US with no inspection period or possibility of return.
Sounding better to me all the time...I need to stop convincing myself!

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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: peter]
#127208 - 16/02/09 04:05 AM

Quote:

im with bouldersmith, besides the price i would have this one in a heartbeat, the price however is twice to three times what you could get one for at the auctions in london.

best regards

peter

I'm with Peter on this one - I think it would bring less than 600 pounds in London at auction.

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peter
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: DarylS]
#127210 - 16/02/09 04:28 AM

my biggest problem problem is that so would that H&H from champlin, i actually like the first one as it is honest about the condition.

jens:

A newby collector would find good because it does "smell" a little bit of the better, but a seasoned collector wouldn`t wouldn`t care much...for him that level was passed years ago

PLEASE !!!!

ben:

i got my only 577 at sotheby's but do buy stuff at holt's as well, but i am a lot more carefull about the condition of the guns from holts.

regarding the transport to USA guns at this level dont have to cost 600-1000 $, i have seen it done for less than 300 $, i dont know why there is that big a difference in cost.

best regards

peter

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500Nitro
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: peter]
#127227 - 16/02/09 08:06 AM

Huvius (and others)

No one seems to have mentioned any more the comment of mine about RUST on the barrels / lumps.

I agree that the action / wood is good / very nice but the main thing that could cause problems is the lumps / barrels / ribs IMHO.

As I said in my first post, I have no doubt the outside of the barrels can be struck back and re blacked, it's just the rest of the barrels that has me worried.

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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: 500Nitro]
#127236 - 16/02/09 09:42 AM

I'll Bet that it's a snider,that would be why they are unsure about the chambering.Blisset is last listed in Liverpool in 1870.

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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: empirevr]
#127243 - 16/02/09 10:57 AM

I wonder if it was built for this guy??

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Joseph C. Keyser – Born September 21, 1838, in Santa Rosa County, Florida. Enlisted October 22, 1861, at Fairfax County, Virginia in Company A, 1st Virginia cavalry. His horse was killed September 29, 1862. He was paid $253.00 for the horse and $53.00 for equipment lost. Deserted December 1, 1862. Enlisted April 9, 1863, in Company I, 6th Alabama Cavalry. Elected Captain. Took oath of allegiance in late April or early May 1865 at Milton, Florida. Married October 25, 1866, in Frederick County, Virginia to Emma Nisewanger. Died November 14, 1918, in Escambia County, Florida. Buried in Oakwood Cemetery, Richmond, Virginia.

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empirevr
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: JeffFive]
#127272 - 16/02/09 05:47 PM

God knows!!! But I too had a quick search and cant find any sign of a 'hunter' perse which this surely was made for......bit specialist no?

I am with Nigel on the rust as I feel they would have cleaned it up themselves if they thought it was alright......they guessed it might have problems and thus said 'lets sell it as is and see what happens'! I'll mail and ask if they recommend shooting it.;)

Any of you close to Cabela's? why not put us all out of our misery and tell us what its like in the hand!

Ben

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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: empirevr]
#127274 - 16/02/09 06:10 PM

You also take big chances at the auctions. I'm an importer and buy 90% of my stock from the English auctions. A few are good, most will answer questions honestly, but only if you ask and there's at least one that flat out cheats you. An example, I bought a Purdey hammergun 12 bore for $6000. Looked great in the photos, nothing in the desription that was bad. When it got here I discovered that the forearm metal where it contacts the knuckle was cracked clear through horizontally. When contacted the company said that they didn't have to describ everthing and that it was my responsiblility to view the gun. I now have a friend look at all potential buys from this auction house. Buyer beware.

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empirevr
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: casper50]
#127280 - 16/02/09 07:36 PM

Of course.......caveat emptor.

Who peruses for you? Diggory?

I will be aiming to do the same unless I can make it myself, but doubt that.

Ben

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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: empirevr]
#127295 - 16/02/09 09:57 PM

I use the same person that does my exporting for me. No charge since he's there anyway and he will be shipping them to me. He doesn't charge me for pick up if he's already getting some of his at the same time.

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empirevr
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Re: Is this b*ggered? I think so........ [Re: casper50]
#127374 - 17/02/09 05:51 PM

I’m sorry sir, but this gun has been sold. The website does not update over the weekends.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Luecke

Internet Content Provider

Cabela's Inc Gun Library

Gonzales, LA

Was it one of you? Good luck!!!!!!!

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