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doubleriflenut
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Outlandish Prices!!!!
      #127126 - 15/02/09 01:37 PM

I just happened across Rigby's website and almost fell over when I looked at their prices! African caliber bolt rifles starting at 33,500, side-lock double rifle starting at 49,750 and a box-lock at 32,500!! I can't believe anyone would pay these prices for these guns. As an old saying goes, "a fool and his money should never come together"!

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: doubleriflenut]
      #127599 - 20/02/09 07:21 PM

Indeed.....

But dont you mean; 'a fool and his money are easily parted'?

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: empirevr]
      #127618 - 21/02/09 02:14 AM

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Indeed.....

But dont you mean; 'a fool and his money are easily parted'?

Ben




I think the quote was: "fool, and his money are SOON parted!"

All meaning the same thing!

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #127620 - 21/02/09 02:36 AM

Doublerifle nut, I don't know anything about current Rigby rifles but have you seen the prices
on new Hollands or Purdeys and do you know how many man hours go into their production ? They will
never be cheap and I often think they are like fine watches, you never really own one, you just look after it for the next generation best, Mike


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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #127622 - 21/02/09 02:41 AM


Mike


Yeah, well Rigby rifles shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Purdey and Hollands.


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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: doubleriflenut]
      #127625 - 21/02/09 04:30 AM

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I just happened across Rigby's website and almost fell over when I looked at their prices! African caliber bolt rifles starting at 33,500, side-lock double rifle starting at 49,750 and a box-lock at 32,500!! I can't believe anyone would pay these prices for these guns. As an old saying goes, "a fool and his money should never come together"!




I wouldn't give 2 cents for any Californicated Rigby.

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Doublerifle nut, I don't know anything about current Rigby rifles but have you seen the prices
on new Hollands or Purdeys and do you know how many man hours go into their production ? They will
never be cheap and I often think they are like fine watches, you never really own one, you just look after it for the next generation best, Mike




Agree with 500, comparing H&H or Purdeys to the new Rigby is like comparing a Scion Van to a one off Bugatti.


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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: ]
      #127628 - 21/02/09 05:16 AM



IF i were to spend money on a new DR anyway...the McKay Brown Round action bodied rifles would certainly be amongst the top. I would love to get one in either .360 No2, .500/465 H&H...or a .577 Nitro...yummy yummy


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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: rigbymauser]
      #127809 - 23/02/09 09:41 AM

Not a problem! I know David and I will have him fix you up!!

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: empirevr]
      #127810 - 23/02/09 09:43 AM

No! the saying that i quoted was one that I made up to go with the one you mentioned. It is like saying that anyone so dumb should not have the money in the first place!!

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #127811 - 23/02/09 09:47 AM

Sure do as I sold rifles for 23 years. They are capitalizing on the fact that people would pay the price due to an inflated economy. That will change. If people are losing their homes, jobs are being lost, large banks are failing, along with some of the largest companies in the world, it will certainly have a negative effect on all types items.

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #127815 - 23/02/09 10:30 AM

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Doublerifle nut, I don't know anything about current Rigby rifles but have you seen the prices
on new Hollands or Purdeys and do you know how many man hours go into their production ? They will
never be cheap and I often think they are like fine watches, you never really own one, you just look after it for the next generation best, Mike




......

Mike, the current Rigbys are nowhere near worth the asking price IMO! The name is only a factor if it is engraved on a UK Rigby! I'm not saying the rifles aren't good rifles, just that they are not worth their asking price.

The man hours is not all that is involved in the cost of makeing a double rifle. You can put in a lot of man hours washing dishes in a large resturante, but with a double rifle, it is skill involved in those man hours, and the lack of qualified people to do that quality of work, that sets the price, to a point. However, the name engraved on the rifle has doesn't discount the acceptance of that price by the buyer!

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #127857 - 24/02/09 12:29 AM

Very well put! I totally agree.

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: doubleriflenut]
      #127860 - 24/02/09 01:24 AM

Sorry Dugaboy, maybe I didn't explain myself properly, as I said, I don't know anything about current Rigby rifles or where they are made ?? I do know that
about 800 man hours of highly skilled labour go into a current Holland/Purdey double rifle,
which is approx £110 an hour on current prices, (mark up is approx 30% so in effect £77 an hour), a car concession in London charges approx £70 an hour for its' mechanics at the moment, hence my statement that they will never be cheap !! best, Mike


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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #127878 - 24/02/09 05:09 AM

Hey Mike,

The BMW and Merc dealers here abouts in this part of London are over £ 120.00 PH !!!! GULP

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #127880 - 24/02/09 05:26 AM

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Sorry Dugaboy, maybe I didn't explain myself properly, as I said, I don't know anything about current Rigby rifles or where they are made ??





Made by Merkel in Europe - no problems here from most people's opinions.

Butchered in California - Plenty of problems here.


Not sure where the extra price increase comes in.

Edited by 500Nitro (24/02/09 05:27 AM)


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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #127884 - 24/02/09 06:49 AM

Jeez Bramble, I didn't know it had got to that level !! Peter said you may be going to the Holts
auction/viewing...would you like to meet up for a lunch on me ?? best, Mike


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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #127894 - 24/02/09 09:41 AM

That would be nice Mike. There are other Forum members scheduled to be at the sales as well it could be quite a party, I think that there will be six of us.

I will chat to them and perhaps book a table somewhere localy as there is not much worthwhile in the immediate vicinity.

We can all go Dutch or wait until Peter goes to the toilet and stiff him with the bill

Regards


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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #127897 - 24/02/09 11:12 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Sorry Dugaboy, maybe I didn't explain myself properly, as I said, I don't know anything about current Rigby rifles or where they are made ??





Made by Merkel in Europe - no problems here from most people's opinions.

Butchered in California - Plenty of problems here.


Not sure where the extra price increase comes in.




500Nitro only the Merkel action in the white is made in Germany! The rest of the rifle is made in california! The Barrels are American made PAC-NOR and are good barrels. IMO the Merkel action and barrel blanks are the best part of the finished rifle. The workmanship is about average for an OFF THE SHELF $10K double. The engraveing is worth more than the rifle it's self!

The only reason they can get the prices they post are because many think they are getting a real RIGBY rifle when all they are getting is a run of the mill double rifle with a purchased Rigby name on it!

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #127901 - 24/02/09 11:33 AM

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Sorry Dugaboy, maybe I didn't explain myself properly, as I said, I don't know anything about current Rigby rifles or where they are made ?? I do know that
about 800 man hours of highly skilled labour go into a current Holland/Purdey double rifle,
which is approx £110 an hour on current prices, (mark up is approx 30% so in effect £77 an hour), a car concession in London charges approx £70 an hour for its' mechanics at the moment, hence my statement that they will never be cheap !! best, Mike




I never said the H&H and Purdys were not worth their price. However you must admit the if the same level of work were done on any other rifle but didn't have those two names engraved on them, the price would be several thousand dollars less. The name recognition is worth a premium, is all I was saying. I'm with you! The skill of the people building even off the shelf double rifles is beyond most smiths of the world, and skilled labor is expensive!

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #127902 - 24/02/09 11:51 AM


duggaboy

Compare the absolute best of The Italians and the best British, and the prices are very similar.

I am sure others can come up with examples along the same lines where similar quality guns are made.


Hartmann and Weiss would be one I suspect.


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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #127919 - 24/02/09 02:04 PM

Sorry to be the "devil's advocate" here but I think you guys are really jumping all over California Rigby's without merit. If the price is way out of line (which it may be), they will come down because no one will place orders for the rifles and they will have to reduce them (you have to love capitalism).
Now, I will state up front that I do own a Rigby made by Geoff and thus I may be a bit biased in that respect. However, I have held and fired Merkels, Heyms, and Kreighoffs before I bought my Rigby .500 NE and there is no comparison in the fit and finish overall as the Rigby is much nicer. I have also held Holland & Holland's and agree that they are certainly another level above. While I did not pay anywhere near what the new listed price is for my Rigby double, my rifle is much nicer in the engraving/metalwork, wood, finish, overall shooting balance than any of the German brands mentioned above. I really feel that it is without merit to say that these rifles are "not worth 2 cents" or that they are "butchered in California". I will grant that there is definitely a bit of a premium price placed on the Rigbys over the German guns. Some of that premium is no doubt for the name but I think you get quite a bit more gun as well. This was just my opinion based on my experience with each gun. I did like the Merkel and Kreighoff very much when I was looking for a semi-affordable double rifle and I was about to order the Krieghoff when the opportunity presented itself to get a used Rigby instead for a bit more money. Once I saw and held the Rigby, it was an easy decision and I have never regretted it. Now, all that being said, it is very true that the current Rigby guns are not made in London anymore and not of the same quality as an H&H or a Purdey but they are also not coming with a starting price upwards of ~$70,000 US. Plus, I do not think anyone ever has stated that they are the same quality as an H&H or Purdey.

BTW: Mike Bailey, I love this quote from you:
"They will never be cheap and I often think they are like fine watches, you never really own one, you just look after it for the next generation "

I feel that way about all of my fine firearms.


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Re:Bramble [Re: Bramble]
      #127939 - 24/02/09 07:20 PM

Hi Bramble, just give me a date on week 23rd-27th March, as an idea what about "The Guinea" off
Bruton Street behind Hollands ? Best steak and mushroom pie in London INMHO best, Mike p.s we will need to book though


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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: Bramble]
      #127945 - 24/02/09 09:30 PM

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We can all go Dutch or wait until Peter goes to the toilet and stiff him with the bill





AGAIN !!!


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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: peter]
      #127949 - 24/02/09 10:02 PM

I think Vette447's comments are well stated.

While Cal. Rigby cannot be compared to the Rigby of old, their product certainly cannot be classified as worthless. The .500NE he displayed elsewhere on the forums does exhibit a build quality above the Merkels, Heyms, Krieghoffs, Chapuis, etc. As he says, it doesn't rise to the level of a London best, nor does it demand the price of one.

I suspect the reaction, which borders on repulsion, is a result of seeing that great London name "misused" in this manner. The current product clearly is not "Rigby", but it parades around as such. A pretender, one might say. In the same vein, look at what has been done with the Abercrombie & Fitch mark.

But still, one must accept it for what it is: a factory made double with some hand fitting and finish, and wearing the name of a former great maker. There is value there; and as said, capitalism will set the market price.

I would rather own his Cal. Rigby .500NE than my plain Merkel. I'm just not sure how much more I would want to pay for it.

There's my $0.02 worth. Aside from the discussion I want to welcome Vette447 to the forums. We need a few good double gun fans! Finally I wish I could fly to London and get in on Peter's fleecing. You guys give a separate report of the auction, please.

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Re: Outlandish Prices!!!! [Re: CptCurl]
      #127950 - 24/02/09 10:08 PM

curl

you will get a report and if you come, lunch is on me. and you dont even have to run while im in the toilet

best

peter


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