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[NEW] The RBL Professional
      #126256 - 08/02/09 03:39 PM

An interesting gun to fill the void.


The RBL-Pro Features the following:
o 20 Gauge
o 24" Fully Rifled Left and Right hand rifling like the finest Double Rifles
o Quarter Rib with iron sights
o Optional Scope rings and Leupold Scope
o 2X Premium Walnut
o Receiver machined from a solid billet of 86-20 steel
o Auto Ejector
o Splinter Forend
o Flat V Main Springs
o Opposing Double Bridge Action
o Double Rolled Edge Trigger Guard
o Metal Grip Cap on Pistol Grip
o Stock Dimensions: 14 1/4” x 1 1/2" x 2 3/8"
o Bone and Charcoal case color
o Classic 2 Point Checkering Pattern
o Tasteful miniature scroll engraved with Professional Gold inlaid on each side of receiver
o Proprietary adjustable barrel regulator
o High impact gun case

OPTIONAL FEATURES:
o Leupold FX-II 2.5 x 20mm Scope with blued quick detachable mounts installed in gun - $500
o Assisted Opening System - $450
o Wood Upgrade 3X - $350
o Wood Upgrade 4X - $600
o Exhibition Wood - $900
o Beavertail Forend - $175
o Single Trigger - $175
o Double Trigger
o Straight Grip
o Pistol Grip

The RBL™-Professional with all accessories and standard options is priced at $3,995.00.

$1,000 deposit is required.

http://www.connecticutshotgun.com/rblpro.html

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: ]
      #126261 - 08/02/09 04:42 PM

I ordered one about a week ago. If you pre pay the whole nut they tell me three to four months. I bet a bit longer.

I chose a pistol grip, splinter forend and double triggers. I also chose a 4x wood upgrade and the scope package. I'm a lefty and they soak you about $225 or so for a left hand stock, which seems like a lot just for cast on. They will instal a Silvers pad for me to extend length of pull to 14 7/8". $100 bucks for pad and instal.

Sure as heck hope it shoots well. I think the adjustable regulation is a great idea too, not only to get it shooting well with the ammo you prefer, but also because the manufacturers are constantly changing sabot slug offerings, and they don't seem the easy reloading program that metalic cartridges are.

It will sure beat my Mossburg pump slug gun in our shotgun only areas.

JPK

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: ]
      #126263 - 08/02/09 05:18 PM

I saw these at the Vegas show, don't they have Model 21's set up like this as well? Interesting, but as a westerner, I didn't see the point.

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: JPK]
      #126266 - 08/02/09 05:31 PM

JPK,

Did they happen to tell you what the chamber length is on this? I bet this thing would be a pip with Hastings 3 1/2 inch slugs!

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: Ironscot]
      #126290 - 08/02/09 10:36 PM



There's another thread about the RBL here that was started a couple weeks ago that contains additional information. I believe the chamber length is 2 3/4". Three inch chambers would be more appealing to me. It's a nice looking gun, no doubt!

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: ]
      #126525 - 10/02/09 01:17 PM

Okay, I am not the most knowing about DR's, but I have to ask a question. Why is this gun approx. 1/6 the price of say, a .470 double? Is it to do with the pressure of the cartridge? This appears to have rifled barrels and is good to 110 yards. So, why the great difference in cost? Not being sarcastic, just want to know.

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: congomike]
      #126528 - 10/02/09 01:29 PM

It's a shotgun with rifled barels for use with shotgun cases loaded with slugs.

Sought of like a cheap man's double rifle.

(Have I just been had ?)

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: tophet1]
      #126531 - 10/02/09 02:00 PM

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It's a shotgun with rifled barels for use with shotgun cases loaded with slugs.

Sought of like a cheap man's double rifle.

(Have I just been had ?)



Good for US shotgun ONLY hunting areas I think.

Might be cheaper if not regulated as I note they claim the barrels have a regulating device?

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: NitroX]
      #126534 - 10/02/09 02:07 PM

I'm a tight wad on stuff that rusts and breaks, but man, this thing is cheap!

Nitro is probably on. Line up the tubes and solder 'em up and let Elmer Fudd do the rest.

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: ]
      #126538 - 10/02/09 02:30 PM

I think it is a great idea and I believe they will cash in on it.
I hear rumors that Westley intends to re-introduce the Fauneta.

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: gatsby]
      #126575 - 10/02/09 08:43 PM

Does anyone know how the regulation device works?

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: Paul]
      #126664 - 11/02/09 03:26 PM

The barrels are rifled. Can you still shoot shot through it? Is this harmful at all? How would they pattern?

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: NitroX]
      #126668 - 11/02/09 04:03 PM

To answer a few questions or take a guess as the case may be.

Yes it comes with 2 3/4" chambers. But this is no handicap. I checked out the available 20ga sabot slugs from Federal, Remmington and Winchester. The fastest of all was a 3" Winchester offering at 2000fps. Next fastest is 1900fps and Federal makes these only in 3" but both Remington and Winchester offer these in 2 3/4". The Winchester offering is the Nosler Partion Gold 260gr sabot slug and the Remington the Ultra Coreloct bonded core slug, I think 260grs but could be mistaken. FYI, the ballistic table that Winchester displayed for the 1900fps 2 3/4" Partition Gold showed .7" high at 50, .8" high at 75, zero at 100 and -1.7" at 125yds. WOW!

The regulation device is sure to be at least somewhat similar to others, like Merkel's small and medium rifles ar equiped with, and likely to either bring together or spread the muzzles. From the photos it looks like it works with a screw divice parrallel to the bores, in between the muzzles.

I'd be willing to bet that the rifle barrels will pattern like hell. But I could be wrong. I'd also bet that a second set of barrls could be ordered for shooting shotshells.
I thought about that but decided against it because I wanted the gun to closely resemle my bug bore double, and if it had shot barrels, it would have begged for a straight grip instead of the pistol grip. I doubt that shooting shotshells in it would be harmful to anything other than your patterns.

As for why it cost less, I'll venture that pressure has something to do with it, plus its machine made for the most part and from mostly existing parts used on their 20ga RBL's, doesn't appear to have labor extensive rust bluing, little engraving and only adequate wood.

Either way, I'm looking forward to getting mine and getting it set up and shooting right well before our shotgun only deer season!

JPK

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: JPK]
      #126693 - 11/02/09 11:09 PM


You know, for boar and deer hunting here in Pennsylvania, even though Pennsylvania has a rifle season, I'd bet this RBL double would be ideal.

Congrats, JPK! I look forward to upsoming reports!

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: Der_Jaeger]
      #126727 - 12/02/09 05:58 AM

Thanks. FYI gun weight is supooesed to be ~7.5lbs. Add about 1/2 lb for the scope and its 8lbs, which is neither heavy nor light for a deer hunting rifle.

Recoil should be brisk but very tolerable. Ny son's 20ga slug gun would come in way lighter and I sighted it in for Federal's 3" 1900fps sabot slug load. After one shot I was hoping there was a vial of Advil in the truck. Sharp and brisk recoil, but without much shove. Almost the opposite of my double rifle in characteristics. Much, much less overall recoil though!

I think I might resight my son's slug gun with Federal's 2 3/4", 1600fps sabot slug load. He'll be nine next year and found the recoil of the 1900fps slugs unpleasant and chose to hunt with his blackpowder rifle during the shotgun season this year in lieu of his Mossburg 20ga punp becuase of the lighter recoil.

Either way, shooting the 1900fps slugs or the 1600fps slugs, this should be more fun than using my Mossburg pump slug gun, about which I can't complain. It has done yoeman's service and accounted for quite a few deer from spitting distance to about 90yds, but it is pure utility.

JPK

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: JPK]
      #126746 - 12/02/09 09:38 AM

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I'd be willing to bet that the rifle barrels will pattern like hell.



Correct.

From what I have read re; tests on other rifled barrels and even screw in rifled tubes. The rifling plays havoc with wads and shot and causes very wide, clumpy patterns. I've shot patterns from rifled tubes and they are pretty bad.

Just a thought but maybe a handload using a VERY thick wad, like a steel shot wad used with lead shot would do the trick for quail or something. Just an idea.

Who cares tho as this gun is so neat as a double I bet it'll sell like hotcakes. What a neat idea for the HUGE part of this country that is locked up in shotgun only deer regulations.

Hey, a gun company that brings out something really new and useful to all those who "already have everything else"!

I'm not going to say it makes me want to live in a shotgun-only area, but it would sure take a lot of the sting out of it.

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: 9.3x57]
      #126754 - 12/02/09 11:36 AM



I think for thickly wooded areas and states, this gun makes a ton of sense even where rifle hunting is allowed.

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: Der_Jaeger]
      #126774 - 12/02/09 02:35 PM

It seems I learned somewhere that the rifling twist is 1:12. That's too fast for anything but a very sub-caliber bullet in a sabot.

The gun would interest me much more if it had a twist of 1:54 or slower so round balls would fly well.

Shooting a .30 cal bullet wrapped in plastic through a 20b rifle barrel leaves me scratching my head for reason.

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: CptCurl]
      #126873 - 13/02/09 03:05 PM

No 1 reason = you can buy the sabot ammo over the counter in any local sports store, and its highly likely that store would offer your brand and load. Maybe even the local gas station in smaller towns!

I reload, when I have to. I don't enjoy it, it is a job that has to be done for certain rifles. I'm always running short of loaded ammo for those rifles too, reflecting my lack of love for the task. Reading about loading either for Brit paradox style guns or bore rifles informs me that it would be even less my cup of tea. I think most fellows are in my camp.

I'm sure you've given thought to a paradox style gun, that would seem to more closely match what your'e looking for. And if you're interested in loading round balls in a double, have you given thought to one of the Pedersoli black powder SxS double rifles or a vintage black powder round ball rifle? I would be a heck of a lot more interested in a black powder round ball rifle than a 20ga shooting round balls, if only for the relative ease loading and shooting and always available opportunity to head out, load up and go shooting.

Its funny, but my thinking on the topic is as near 180* opposite as could be. Not that I don't appreciate your view, just not interested in heading that direction.

BTW, I believe the bullets are substantially larger than .308", close to .45", but I'll see what I can find or cut apart one of my son's 20ga sabot loads.

JPK

Edited by JPK (13/02/09 03:10 PM)

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: JPK]
      #126875 - 13/02/09 03:23 PM

Just for information, is it so that the shotgun-only states put that law up because they felt that a load of buckshot is safer for other hunters at a distance than a 30-30 rifle projectile? If so, how is it that a 20g rifle with solid ball is acceptable, when penetration and 'carry' of projectiles must be similar to the rifle?

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: ChrisPer]
      #126882 - 13/02/09 04:22 PM

Hello ChrisPer, This is off the subject of a very neat gun but to enlighten slightly on the shotgun only areas. There is a misconception of our legislators that they are less lethal and have less range. Here is a wonderful example of that. In the state (Peoples republic)of New Jersey you are mandated to use a Muzzleloader, Shotgun or Archery for Deer hunting. For Varmints you could use a 50 bmg sniper rifle if you wanted, completely legal. See, makes so much sense. There is some belief in that the trouble with injuries has to do with the firearm when common sense tells us it is the moron firing the firearm. The upper mid west states used to have laws about how high your tree stand could be.........So you couldn't shoot as far and injure someone. Iowa's southern tier of counties are/where all shotgun, but step 2 feet away over the border into Missouri and you can use a rifle, maybe on the same farm. I have done this actually in northern Pennsylvania and southern New York on the same farm. Very absurd and getting worse.

The overwhelming amount of hunting accidents involving 2 or more parties in the USA are during turkey seasons in the eastern sea board states. So therefor some of the states institute the use of smaller less lethal shot size.......again it is the moron with the gun.........but hey, what would I know.


The largest amount of accidents are non shootings involving falls from tree stands. Boogles the mind.

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: Caprivi]
      #126893 - 13/02/09 07:43 PM

That stand-height law is more than crazy. The higher the stand, the less-horizontally you need to shoot. Legislators are a funny breed, to be sure.

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: Paul]
      #126911 - 13/02/09 11:15 PM

Awhile ago NRA went on a bender and set out to convince legislators that slug guns and muzzle loading rifles are just as lethal at the same ranges as centerfire rifles. Their reasoning was that they could make a case for allowing centerfire rifles. I immediately objected that it was more likely that the legislators/game departments would institute buckshot-only laws/regulations. NRA told me "pooh pooh, you don't know what you're talking about."

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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: JPK]
      #126913 - 13/02/09 11:34 PM

Quote:

No 1 reason = you can buy the sabot ammo over the counter in any local sports store, and its highly likely that store would offer your brand and load. Maybe even the local gas station in smaller towns!

I reload, when I have to. I don't enjoy it, it is a job that has to be done for certain rifles. I'm always running short of loaded ammo for those rifles too, reflecting my lack of love for the task. Reading about loading either for Brit paradox style guns or bore rifles informs me that it would be even less my cup of tea. I think most fellows are in my camp.

I'm sure you've given thought to a paradox style gun, that would seem to more closely match what your'e looking for. And if you're interested in loading round balls in a double, have you given thought to one of the Pedersoli black powder SxS double rifles or a vintage black powder round ball rifle? I would be a heck of a lot more interested in a black powder round ball rifle than a 20ga shooting round balls, if only for the relative ease loading and shooting and always available opportunity to head out, load up and go shooting.

Its funny, but my thinking on the topic is as near 180* opposite as could be. Not that I don't appreciate your view, just not interested in heading that direction.

BTW, I believe the bullets are substantially larger than .308", close to .45", but I'll see what I can find or cut apart one of my son's 20ga sabot loads.

JPK



John,

I have no doubt that your view reflects the mainstream. Tony G. would rather cater to the mainstream. Still, my order would be in if the twist were slower. I'm a weirdo! Guess I'll stick to my 25 bore (.577 BPE)!




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Re: [NEW] The RBL Professional [Re: CptCurl]
      #126965 - 14/02/09 08:47 AM

[quoteI'm sure you've given thought to a paradox style gun, that would seem to more closely match what your'e looking for. And if you're interested in loading round balls in a double, have you given thought to one of the Pedersoli black powder SxS double rifles or a vintage black powder round ball rifle? I would be a heck of a lot more interested in a black powder round ball rifle than a 20ga shooting round balls, if only for the relative ease loading and shooting and always available opportunity to head out, load up and go shooting.

JPK



John,

I have no doubt that your view reflects the mainstream. Tony G. would rather cater to the mainstream. Still, my order would be in if the twist were slower. I'm a weirdo! Guess I'll stick to my 25 bore (.577 BPE)!

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While I was typing my previous post it occured to me that my suggestions regarding bore rifles, paradox types, black powder round ball rifles were probably as useful as preaching to the choir. I see that I was right and you were already way beyond that!

Good luck with your 25 bore!

When I get mine I'll let you know. I've gotta get down to visit my brother one of these days. (BTW, he did buy the tackle/sports/outfitting/guiding business.) I'll bring the gun along and leave it with you to try some round balls or maybe some soft conicals. Or at worst we can give it a go at the Vintagers.

I'll call them and ask what the twist is. Still working on the diameter of the saboted slugs.

JPK

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