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Huvius
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.280 Dubiel
      #98722 - 08/03/08 02:49 PM

Alright!! I am forced to post some of my Mauser actioned rifles!
I hope you all enjoy...
I'll start with the .280 Dubiel.
This was my great uncle's antelope gun - thus the big Ziess scope (variable=very cool).
I think this was an original Dubiel gun, or a Hoffman - not sure. It was barreled by Griffin and Howe. I'm thinking of removing the scope to use the express sights.









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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Huvius]
      #98727 - 08/03/08 03:05 PM

Very nice rifle.

Elmer liked that cartridge if I remember correctly.

The more I look at that shootin iron, the more it grows on me!!

Can't wait to see what pops up next!

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: 9.3x57]
      #98729 - 08/03/08 03:13 PM

Thanks,
It is from the days when Americans knew what a gun was supposed to look like...
Looks like a Hoffman to me, they are my absolute favorite US maker.

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Huvius]
      #98732 - 08/03/08 03:31 PM

You've got to love seeing all these beautiful old mausers coming out of the closets for all to enjoy
keep em coming!

m4220

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: m4220]
      #98740 - 08/03/08 05:01 PM

That's a nice Redfield Senior mount. Are the rings 26mm? What became of the Lyman 48 receiver sight?

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Huvius
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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: xausa]
      #98741 - 08/03/08 05:08 PM

The Scope is a 35mm main tube. I don't have the Lyman - I do have a Redfield peep sight though - not sure if the screw hole spacing is the same on those. I like Lymans better anyway.

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Huvius]
      #98760 - 09/03/08 01:17 AM

Hole spacing is the same for both Lyman and Redfield receiver sights. I never knew that Redfield made 35mm rings. I wonder if they are custom made.

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Huvius]
      #98761 - 09/03/08 01:22 AM

Huvius, what does that rifle weigh?

Have you got a full-length pic of it?

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: 9.3x57]
      #98764 - 09/03/08 01:55 AM

This gun is a little heavy - 10lbs even on my bathroom scale.
Here are a couple more shots.



And front sight.



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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Huvius]
      #98766 - 09/03/08 02:03 AM

Thanks for posting.

That thing is a threat to big bull elk and big buck mule deer wherever they may be hiding!

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: 9.3x57]
      #98771 - 09/03/08 02:50 AM

Thanks for posting these pictures Huvius. The guns family history must make it even more of a treasure for you, and I hope it continues to be an antelope gun for future generations to come.

Erik

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Huvius]
      #98800 - 09/03/08 11:40 AM

Huvius,

A really lovely old timer! The engraving at the muzzle looks especially tasteful. I haven't seen That kind of engraving being done these days.

Superb rifle and I hope she keeps taking antelopes like she did in the past!

Good hunting!

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Huvius
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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #124835 - 22/01/09 11:40 AM

Finally got around to digging out the photos.
Looks to be pretty effective on mule deer too!





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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Huvius]
      #124844 - 22/01/09 12:40 PM

huvius....looks like it might have been stocked by fred adolph who worked at griifin -howe if its a griffin , there is a dubiel on mike schwandts site as we speak. take a look ... the styling is more like a hoffman but then im pretty sure dubiel worked for hoffman... mike petrov can usually decifer these things in a hurry...paul

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Huvius
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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: pjaln]
      #124847 - 22/01/09 01:08 PM

Could have been.
The engraving looks rather Kornbrath like. Especially the bear on the floorplate.
He did have a Newton which was stocked by Adolph and engraved by Kornbrath. I had it for a while and boy do I wish I kept it...

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Huvius]
      #124854 - 22/01/09 02:00 PM

What a super neat rifle, especially with it being a family rifle! You seem to have some question as to its make. It appears to be a Cleveland Hoffman and I'm not a real expert but I'd say the engraving is Kornbrath. The carving is very Cleveland Hoffmanish as is the barrel with that gorgeous 1/4 rib! Plus, Hoffman was known for using commercial Mausers. It should be marked as a Hoffman or a Griffin&Howe in either case. However, if your Uncle was so tied in to the era's custom gunmakers to get them to do piece work for him, it could have a mottled pedigree (and that's in no way meant to be dispargaing!! Hell, I wish I just knew someone who knew Adolph or any of those guys, much less have a family member who ran with them!). With it being a carbine set up for a Lyman 48, it makes you wonder if he mounted the scope later on and if so, did he have it rebored??
This is one of those rifles I'd just love to coon finger!!!

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: A10ACN]
      #124861 - 22/01/09 02:40 PM

I don't know if he really knew those guys, but it wouldn't surprise me if he had met them. I think he was quite a bit younger than they were though.
He did know Elmer Keith somewhat and they sold guns to each other on occasion. We have a letter from EK regarding a Westley Richards double rifle he bought from my great uncle - he seemed well pleased with it. I know one of EK's many attributes was his prolific writing so there are probably thousands of letters from him around. I have heared that he always made great effort to respond to letters sent to him.

The Dubiel actually has "Barrelled by Griffin and Howe" on it, so I am thinking they didn't build it originally.
It did have a G&H sidemount at one time - as the old photos show. The old holes are now filled in.

The Newton he bought in a pawn shop here in Denver back in the thirties. It originally was owned by an attorney in Atlanta - how it ended up in a pawn shop I'll never know...I'll post some pictures of it in the classic rifles section.

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Huvius]
      #124922 - 23/01/09 07:38 AM

Nice rifle, The .280 Dubiel was after John Dubiel left Hoffman. Now Dubiel could have stocked the rifle or John Wright when they worked for Hoffman no way to tell if it was made in Cleveland or Ardmore. You could send me the Mauser number found on the bottom of the action and see what if anything that tells me. The rifle was engraved by Kornbrath. You could have Joe take some pictures of that rifle for me if you don't mind. I would also be interested in any other pictures of any custom sporting rifles used in the field that I could publish.

The Adolph-Kornbrath-Newton is in my book.

mjpetrov@acsalaska.net

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Michael_Petrov]
      #124966 - 23/01/09 11:01 PM

huvius , i sold a springfield to monte mandarino last year with the same style bear engraved on the floorplate no other markings very much a hoffman looking gun , and between monte ,petrov ,and myself we came to the conclusion that it was a hoffman , the bear was sort of a trademark of there guns, petrov could clarify this ...paul

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: pjaln]
      #124979 - 24/01/09 01:09 AM

I'll pull it out of the wood this weekend.
There is no visible number on the action so I think it should be on the underside of the receiver ring.

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Michael_Petrov]
      #125065 - 25/01/09 09:19 AM

The action number is 93708.
You must mean Joe Hughes for the photos, right?

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Huvius]
      #125080 - 25/01/09 01:21 PM

huvius,,,you can check these numbers on line at griffin & howe ...paul

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Huvius]
      #125101 - 25/01/09 05:05 PM

Quote:

The action number is 93708.
You must mean Joe Hughes for the photos, right?



Most of the 93,000's that I have in my database came from Ardmore so there is a better than eaven chance the Hoffman was originally built in Ardmore, OK.

Yes, Joe Hughes, tell him I said hi. Would you have field pictures of any of the other custom rifles being used?

Thanks, Michael Petrov / Alaska

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: 9.3x57]
      #125106 - 25/01/09 06:17 PM

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Elmer liked that cartridge if I remember correctly.





Elmer Keith certainly liked the .280 Dubiel - but not for big North American game. It was one stepping-stone to his realisation that a .333 or bigger was needed for moose and grizzly. He had John Dubiel put a heavy .280 barrel on Keith's old 300 Hoffman magnum. Topped with a 12x scope, EK liked it for shooting coyotes at 500 yards, and thought it the best long-range rifle he had used at the time. He was having another one made but it disappeared from the shop after Dubiel died, according to his autobiography.

Yes, a very nice rifle and a very fat scope!

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Re: .280 Dubiel [Re: Michael_Petrov]
      #125135 - 26/01/09 03:35 AM

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Would you have field pictures of any of the other custom rifles being used?



I am in the process of scanning all of my vintage photos, I am sure I have some others.
There are a few photos of Floyd on hunting trips with his Stutz. Can't say he didn't have style!

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