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Pilgrim
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For those down under - Question
      #123884 - 13/01/09 04:56 AM

I've been pondering what to me is an obvious answer to a couple of problems for several months now and wonder if it has been discussed in the past...

Since the northern part of your wonderful country is (reportedly) more or less overrun with brumbies, buffalo, pigs, and I don't know what else, has any thought been given to introducing a predator that would help with the numbers, and within 15 or 20 years provide an incredible hunting opportunity, and not likely cause any great harm to existing hunting? Specifically, I am wondering if introduction of the Sumatran Tiger wouldn't be wonderful for both the tiger (near extinction due to poaching, etc etc) and eventually provide for some wonderful hunting in Oz? I've thought about it quite a bit, but being ignorant of your contry, don't know the problems it would cause. I don't think the tiger would be any problem with man-eating as I've not heard of this problem outside of the Bengals in the Sunderbans (India/Bangladesh). Anyway, thoughts??

Pilgrim (aka Duane Bogen)

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peter
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: Pilgrim]
      #123889 - 13/01/09 05:13 AM

i think introducing such a large predator would get some negative reactions fron the aussies, they already have the salties and australia try to keep their fauna unaltered as far as i know.

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500Nitro
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: peter]
      #123891 - 13/01/09 05:45 AM


I talked about that this year - again !!!

I reckon Lions would be the best surviors.
Game not well spread enough for Tigers.


And the Cattle Industry would have a heart attack at the suggestion but hell, it would be great to have something
like that up there.


I also think both would become Man Eaters.

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Sarg
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: 500Nitro]
      #123901 - 13/01/09 06:43 AM

That would be fantastic , same thoughts I have ever time I'm up there , 500NE is right Lions (Asian) & Black Rino in the open country & Sumatran Tigers on Cobourg Penninsula which has the right habitat & game.

He is also right it will never happen for many reasons , Cattle Industry ,Greenies & for sure man eating (even if they killed 1 person by accident) but sure would be great !

Would be great to have Snow Leopards down South here in Tahr country , clean up some of those damm Merino Sheep too !

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500Nitro
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: Sarg]
      #123909 - 13/01/09 07:45 AM


Sarg


Huntng Dangerous game (Buffalo) with the chance you could
become the hunted !!!

I like the sound of that !

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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: 500Nitro]
      #123918 - 13/01/09 10:06 AM

I was under the impression that you australians had learnt what happens when an alien species is introduced in an delicate enviroment, the rabbit.

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tophet1
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: 450_366]
      #123924 - 13/01/09 11:09 AM

Great theory. Perfect Habitat. It will never happen.

Imagine the reaction from all the city fed do-gooders. 98% of our population lives on the coast and 95% is urbanised. IMO, contrary to popularist images the Aussie is basically an urban species with all the restrictions that lifestyle imposes..... and I live here....

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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: tophet1]
      #123925 - 13/01/09 11:20 AM

I think the Leopard would spread quick also the warthog and black rhino would feel at home but its not going to happen!

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Sarg
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: 450_366]
      #123927 - 13/01/09 11:37 AM

No no ! Andreas , there is a much worse foe , the Cane Toad he kills all & none can kill (or should I say eat & surive) him , he is well on his way to invading the NT - 10 years ago none were to be seen , now lots to be seen , even the fish (Barra) won't take frog type lures so much now !

Yes 500NE that would be very interesting , we get a bit complacent some times ?

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500Nitro
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: Sarg]
      #123929 - 13/01/09 11:54 AM


Sarg

Complacent - no, not me, had it drummed into me not to get complacent and had 3 full on charges in 4-5 years
and then this week managed to get myself in the middle of a herd of Buff in thick shit without being able to shoot (mate otherside so safety) and got trampled but all OK.


Leopard - yes, would survive and possibly expand.

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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: 450_366]
      #123947 - 13/01/09 06:50 PM

Quote:

I was under the impression that you australians had learnt what happens when an alien species is introduced in an delicate enviroment, the rabbit.



and some are still to learn.....

BTW Gurig Ganak Barlu NP ("Cobourg" to some) is traditional lands leased back to Federal government.
Local Iwaitja people have right of veto on all matters as it has always been their property in perpetuity.

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Marty
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: kamilaroi]
      #123948 - 13/01/09 06:59 PM

They have enough trouble with dingos in cattle country and they are murder on sheep. I could just imagine the response of the Cattlemens union to the suggestion of releaseing Lions, Tigers and leopards!! It would make the wolves in Yosemite look like a teddy bears picnic....

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JabaliHunter
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: Marty]
      #123953 - 13/01/09 08:54 PM

What about Atlas lions? Extinct outside captivity as far as I know, and biggest manes of the lot! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Lion

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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #123957 - 13/01/09 09:39 PM

then you could just be like us in the western U.S. have more predators to cut down the game and stock. Politicians would run it from the cities and screw up any hunting you do have. We are dealing with wolves that the greenies think we need and getting it in the butt from them as they rule our world from the living room in New York. Don't even contemplate it!!

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: Taos]
      #123962 - 13/01/09 11:02 PM

Australia is full of enough POMMY VERMIN now without importing something else.
FCOL give us some credability.
We have ,fox,rabbit,hare,starling,sparrow,blackbird,minar,goldfinch,celon crow,fallow deer,red deer,feral cats,rats and mice
And from other parts of the world we have camel,donkey,horse,banteng,goat,buffalo ,chital,hog deer,sambar,rusa and so the list goes on.
Lets not forget the cane toad which is within 10 kilometers of the West Australian border at Kununurra.

Then of course we have these bloody boat people lobbing on our northern coast from god knows where.

Give us a break,stick your lions and tigers where the sun dont shine

Al

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weedypigeon
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #124016 - 14/01/09 01:40 PM

Alan McKenzie:- Agree totally and the only thing I can add to your list Alan is feral pigs. Others not " shootable" are European Carp and Telapia fish in the rivers. At some stage somebody introduced the Australian Brushtail Possum to New Zealand with very negative results. Does anyone get the feeling this topic could become very political and very divisive very quickly ??

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500Nitro
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: weedypigeon]
      #124017 - 14/01/09 01:47 PM


European Carp are Shootable - you can even shoot them, gut them and have them on the bank of the river all in one shot !!!

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: 500Nitro]
      #124023 - 14/01/09 02:08 PM

Nigel,I have to agree with you on shooting carp especially when loaded with 00 buckshot.
Al

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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #124026 - 14/01/09 03:30 PM


Yep, it's great fun, AND does some good for Australia at the same time and I've even found that the birds (Eagles, Hawks, Cormorants, Water Rats (Native) all get a good free feed as well so wins all round !!!

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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: 500Nitro]
      #124030 - 14/01/09 03:48 PM

Leopard, Kudu, Bushbuck, Thompson Gazelle, Gemsbok, Cape Buff, Rino, Impala and the list goes on.
Leopard would do well in all parts of Aus.
Might thin out the sheep.
Wishful thinking..

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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: ozhunter]
      #124032 - 14/01/09 03:58 PM


A few Elephant up North would be intersting !!!

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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: 500Nitro]
      #124037 - 14/01/09 04:45 PM

Quote:


A few Elephant up North would be intersting !!!



Tasmania would be better.

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Sarg
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: NitroX]
      #124048 - 14/01/09 06:22 PM

There were releases of Zebra , Cape Buffalo & Black Buck in WA or so I once read , Zebra & Cape Buff don't work but Black Buck breed well until ? ?

Some say they can still be found ?

Normal Leopard would not be a good animal , very good killer but you hardly see them unless baited , they would over run the place , rare species would be the ones to get , as to help preserve them !

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: Sarg]
      #124060 - 14/01/09 10:24 PM

Hey Sarg if you are so keen to import big cats ect ,do it in New Zealand,not here.
Remember what the possum is doing to NZ.
Iff you want to hunt big cats go to africa or india.
Al

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Re: For those down under - Question [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #124073 - 15/01/09 12:00 AM

We could export a few thousand Coyotes to you down there and they would help with your sheep problems. Coy/dogs would be better yet but they are harder to find and catch. Bob H.

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