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Zg 47?
#123323 - 08/01/09 08:56 AM

Didnt know where to put this one, but it almost looks like a mauser.

When i first bought the rifle i was going to build a 404 on it, but lately im thinking more and more that a 8x68S would be nice.

The rifle looks almost unfired and in a wery good state, its chambered for the 8x64S so i will probably just ream it up.

Any suggestions or input?

The wood realy looks nice, doesent it? And the color.....

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 450_366]
#123328 - 08/01/09 10:38 AM

That is my favorite type of rifle and that is a beauty.
I just picked one up a minty one (wood not as nice as oyurs though!) in 8x64S as well and another poor one with a great bbl the same caliber that I am going to ream into a 8x68S - it should work great!

Im trying to research loads now - either 200 gr or 220 gr bullets ???

I thought that this action length would be too short for a .404 Jeffery. I figured the 10.75x68 would be the longest one could do?

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 450_366]
#123363 - 09/01/09 12:36 AM

A very nice rifle!
How much does it weigh, and how long is the barrel?
If the gun is rather light and the barrel 60 cm or less, then I would think about leaving the caliber as it is.

Fuhrmann

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: fuhrmann]
#123401 - 09/01/09 06:56 AM

The barrel is around 61cm and the weight aprox. 3,3 kg. But this is ofcourse without the scope and the new stock could also add a hekto.

If it doesent perform with the current barrel i will put a new on it, but a will ceep it for now.

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 450_366]
#123407 - 09/01/09 07:40 AM

I think the 61 cm is fine for the 8x68S

The new powders and bullets more than make up for the loss of about 4cm. The weight should be fine as well. I was shooting a Sauer 90 in that caliber and the recoal was no big deal - but I guess it is all what someone is comfortable with, I cant stand a 340 Weatherby for instance.

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: farshot]
#123482 - 09/01/09 11:20 PM

450_366
Making it to an 8X68S will bring a few other issues with feeding and modifications which might result in a few “sour grapes” unless done by a competent smith. I seen one zg-47 that had been converted - it was basically a single shot rifle.

Heym offers pre-chambered and threaded barrels for ZG-47 - they built rifles Zg-47 actions.

8X64S is a very nice caliber and I think you should give it a try.

BTW- did you get my pm?

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: Yochanan]
#123520 - 10/01/09 02:23 AM

Johan --the trouble with my 8x64s is that I cant get any good velocities from a 200 gr bullet. I appear stuck at 2550 ft/s - I cant get past the velocities of a good 8x57S loan with the same bullet! which to me seems strange.

I wonder if the 8x64 is simply an in-efficient design ---?

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: Yochanan]
#123539 - 10/01/09 04:09 AM

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450_366
Making it to an 8X68S will bring a few other issues with feeding and modifications which might result in a few “sour grapes” unless done by a competent smith. I seen one zg-47 that had been converted - it was basically a single shot rifle.

Heym offers pre-chambered and threaded barrels for ZG-47 - they built rifles Zg-47 actions.

8X64S is a very nice caliber and I think you should give it a try.

BTW- did you get my pm?

I did get your pm.

I will look into the heym barrels asap

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 450_366]
#123545 - 10/01/09 04:37 AM

Can you fellows tell me if there is any similarity between stock factory ZG47 and CZ550 triggers?

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 9.3x57]
#123554 - 10/01/09 06:17 AM

Do you have a picture of one from a 550?

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 450_366]
#123604 - 10/01/09 02:01 PM

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Do you have a picture of one from a 550?

There are some here in the manuals.

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 9.3x57]
#123662 - 11/01/09 04:33 AM

9ThreeXFifty7,
In case you are out scouting for a replacement, most aftermarket triggers for mauser 98 will fit the ZG-47, I have used kepplinger, recknagel, timney etc.

Cheers
/Johan

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: Yochanan]
#123668 - 11/01/09 05:30 AM

Thanks, Johan.

They must be different, then, I think, because the underside of a CZ550 appears to be milled to accept only the CZ trigger or others that are made specifically for it. {?}

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 9.3x57]
#123672 - 11/01/09 05:40 AM

Timney makes a trigger for the CZ 550, or, atleast they used to.

Johan

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: Yochanan]
#124369 - 18/01/09 05:03 AM

Hi,

I simply have to paste these superb german articles about the 8x64s. U could say it is a 30-06 on steroids.
The company is , ofcourse, selling their own product by highlighting them but still....

All the testemonials tells the same story. It is a well balanced cartige and it is very close to the wildcat, 8mm-06. However, the 8x64s is usually loaded to higher preasures i europe.

My apologies to all of u who isn´t able to understand these articles. Hopefully someone will translate them someday.
There has also been some written in the swedish forum, robsoft. The loads developed there deliveres impressing velocities if u are in to that. The loads has mainly been developed in Brno ZG-47.

Best regards
Metrisk

http://www.brenneke-munition.de/cms/fileadmin/user_upload/Dokumente/07_11_Pirsch23.pdf

http://www.brenneke-munition.de/cms/fileadmin/user_upload/Dokumente/DWJ_8x64_S.pdf

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: Metrisk]
#124379 - 18/01/09 07:08 AM

Interesting and informative articles! Thank you.

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: Metrisk]
#124385 - 18/01/09 08:39 AM

Quote:

Hi,

I simply have to paste these superb german articles about the 8x64s. U could say it is a 30-06 on steroids.
The company is , ofcourse, selling their own product by highlighting them but still....

All the testemonials tells the same story. It is a well balanced cartige and it is very close to the wildcat, 8mm-06. However, the 8x64s is usually loaded to higher preasures i europe.

My apologies to all of u who isn´t able to understand these articles. Hopefully someone will translate them someday.
There has also been some written in the swedish forum, robsoft. The loads developed there deliveres impressing velocities if u are in to that. The loads has mainly been developed in Brno ZG-47.

Best regards
Metrisk

http://www.brenneke-munition.de/cms/fileadmin/user_upload/Dokumente/07_11_Pirsch23.pdf

http://www.brenneke-munition.de/cms/fileadmin/user_upload/Dokumente/DWJ_8x64_S.pdf

Here is a useful link for the non german readers. http://babelfish.yahoo.com/

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 450_366]
#157574 - 27/03/10 04:07 AM

It's a large ring 98 action with double square bridge ,only 20,000 made worldwide between 1955-65 in.270,30-06,7x57,7x64,8x64S,+9.3x62mm.Be a shame to chop these for a custom rifle.I have one in 30-06 and it makes one hole at 100 yards with either 165gr or 180's.Handloads of course.....JMO......Harold........the 8x68S is only loaded by RWS as far as I know? A buddy has a Sako in that caliber and couldn't get ammo so he had the barrel set back for .338 Win mag brass and a 8mm bore.Not my gun but wrecks any collector value.

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: mbogo3]
#157584 - 27/03/10 07:45 AM

450_366

Changing to 8x68 by just rechambering is not a good idea. Twist Rate of 8x64(8x57) and 8x68 differs.

Also the case head diameter of the 8x68 is greater (13 mm to the standard 12mm), so the bolt head must be opened up slightly.

But foremost the present configuration is too light for comfortable shooting in 8x68 caliber.

The action can be altered(by a competend gunsmith !) to proper function with the bigger 8x68 cartridge.

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: justcurious]
#157585 - 27/03/10 07:46 AM

Unaltered ZG47 are rare, why not keep it as is and build something on another action ?

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: justcurious]
#157588 - 27/03/10 08:07 AM

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450_366

Changing to 8x68 by just rechambering is not a good idea. Twist Rate of 8x64(8x57) and 8x68 differs.

Also the case head diameter of the 8x68 is greater (13 mm to the standard 12mm), so the bolt head must be opened up slightly.

But foremost the present configuration is too light for comfortable shooting in 8x68 caliber.

The action can be altered(by a competend gunsmith !) to proper function with the bigger 8x68 cartridge.

Its a 250mm twist on the barrel so a bit fast i know, but its acceptable with heavier bullet i beleave, and thats what i will use.

The boltface is no problem, it will get a new dropped well and buttom metal, so there will be some grams extra together with the scope and wood.

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Unaltered ZG47 are rare, why not keep it as is and build something on another action ?

No, i want to boost the value of the original ones.

And its still in my head, so ...... it will probably newer be done anyway.

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 450_366]
#157594 - 27/03/10 08:19 AM

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No, i want to boost the value of the original ones.

LOL

More like wipe a $1000 off the value

Like a guy over here who had the offer of a 250-3000 - so he crapped on about rebarrelling it to a 243 until another bloke and I threatened to come down to where he lives and wrap the gun around his head if he did that.

It then dawned on him when he realised (we told him) that the gun was worth over $2500 - he paid $400 for it !!!

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 500Nitro]
#157599 - 27/03/10 08:42 AM

Thank, had forgotten about that, its done now.

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: 450_366]
#157644 - 27/03/10 08:08 PM

G'Day Fella's,

In all my days, I have only ever handled three ZG-47's ( 1 in .270, 1 in 30-06 and a Mannlicher full wood version, in 8 x 57)!
I once read an article (in an Oz magazine) on this rifle and the author (Gary P) suggested that these Brno rifles, were the absolute epitome of Mauser (type) rifle action development!
That is Big Praise indeed and with only limited exposure to these rifle, I still find it hard to disagree!

They really are, Something Else!!!

450_366, you own this rifle so do with it as you please but do think seriously about it prior to modifying the action in any major way, as these are a Rare Example of one of the Best Mauser Type actions, Ever Made!!!

Just my Two Bob's worth.

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Re: Zg 47? [Re: Homer]
#157645 - 27/03/10 08:23 PM

I think the 21 and 22 beat it in terms of quality, but they are small rings so this one works better for me.

I have a 30/06 that has been drilled for a sidemount, perhaps i will use that instead, but its my grab and run gun so i would need a new one to replace it.

So this gun now has gone from a 8*64 to a 404 to a 8*68 back to a 8*64 without me ever needing to touch it.

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Done, bought another 8*64, damn another 200$ down the drain.

Edited by 450_366 (27/03/10 08:51 PM)

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