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mehulkamdar
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When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . .
      #123002 - 05/01/09 04:20 AM

Santa visited Don S and made sure that his Mauser collection now has one example of every sporting Mauser model. Please feast your eyes on this Type L Afrika Modell while Don comes in and posts more information.

Good hunting, everyone!











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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #123003 - 05/01/09 04:21 AM











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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #123004 - 05/01/09 04:24 AM











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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #123005 - 05/01/09 05:35 AM

Don must have been very good!!!
Can't wait to hear the details on this Beauty!
m4220

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: m4220]
      #123006 - 05/01/09 05:42 AM

What a wonderful rifle .

Hurry with the background.

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: mickey]
      #123008 - 05/01/09 05:50 AM

That rifle is a dream come true.

All it needs is a matching brother in .404 jeff.

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: 500grains]
      #123009 - 05/01/09 06:15 AM

Very nice indeed, another chink in my Mauser education stoppped up. I will be looking forward to the detail from Don. BUT, the last photo is of a different rifle, yes? Or has Christmas & New Years celebrations done for my eye sight finally?
Steve

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: shinz]
      #123021 - 05/01/09 07:54 AM

Shinz,

Thanks for the ehads up. Yes, it was a picture of another of Don's treasures. I have edited the post.

My apologies to everyone.

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #123032 - 05/01/09 09:59 AM

Santa's elves have quite the custom shop!
Where does he keep finding these things?!

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #123038 - 05/01/09 12:12 PM

Once again, thank you Mehul for posting the photos on my behalf. Santa was indeed good to me this Xmas. After many years of searching for a decent African model, I was stunned when this one popped up at one of my local gun auctions. The Mauserholics out there will recognize the rare double square bridge solid left wall action coupled to a 700mm octagon to round barrel with full length matted rib. I have never before seen a Type L in this configuration. It also sports express sights with a Parker Hale "Sportarget" peep sight. It is post war engraved by well known local artist Alvin A. White who served many years as a master engraver with Colt. His mark is stamped under the floor plate. Normally I would shun something not done by the factory but have no problem making an exception in this case. Every piece & part is matching numbered to include the sling eyes. Enjoy.

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: Huvius]
      #123039 - 05/01/09 12:18 PM

don , nice one, engraved by alvin white,recent amoskeag auction,there was a nice rigby and a jeffery as well...paul

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: pjaln]
      #123040 - 05/01/09 12:29 PM

don , to me it looks better than the full stocked one you have that is engraved from the factory ,it is most definetly in original condition , no reblue or anything and the engraving is exceptional , and a nicer caliber .i looked at the listing at amoskeag ,but the shitty real estate market is putting a damper on my toy money right now ..good luck with it..... btw,i dont know if you get my emails or not but you have an open invite to come by and see a few things i have.

good luck with it ..paul

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: pjaln]
      #123041 - 05/01/09 01:27 PM

I too asked santa for one of these but I wasn't as lucky
Congratulations Don that is a beautiful rifle.

Fred

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: WVFRED]
      #123042 - 05/01/09 02:09 PM

It is mouth wateringly beautiful.Thanks,Don and Mehul.

Best-
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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: vikram]
      #123066 - 05/01/09 07:12 PM

Don

Congratulations I just love it when fate puts things where they belong.

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: dale]
      #123093 - 06/01/09 02:10 AM

Congratulations on a fine rifle and completing the set, so to speak. I echo Dale's comment.

I do wish you would publish a book based on your collection and knowledge of the subject.

Mehul, thanks for posting the pictures.

Regards,

Rustam

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: RHB]
      #123140 - 06/01/09 02:21 PM

Beautiful rifle.

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: gpsb]
      #123204 - 07/01/09 04:37 AM

Boy, that would be top on my list !!! The reasons WV FRED didn't get one for x-mas is he wasn't nice!!!

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: WVTOM]
      #123231 - 07/01/09 08:45 AM

Does anyone know the rationale behind the stock design for this rifle? Is the extra long (26")barrel and extended three quarter length foreend an accomodation to perceived Africa conditions, and if so, which?

It's hard to believe that a rifle like this was ever actually used in Africa, given the fact that the calibers in which it was commonly available (e.g. 9.3X62 and 10.75X68) translate to use in hunting dangerous game, which would place emphasis on a short, handy rifle.

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: xausa]
      #123244 - 07/01/09 10:57 AM

The plain fact is that there was no rationale whatsoever. This was Mauser's idea of what was needed in Africa without consulting the people who actually did the hunting. That's why they did not sell many and that's why their hard to find. In spite of all this, Mauser kept this model in production for near 40 years. Go figure. BTW, the barrel is 28"

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: dons]
      #123337 - 08/01/09 01:09 PM

simpson ltd. of IL. had one about 3 months ago in (if i can remember), 8x60 a typical african style , sold for around 2k or maybe less lasted about 1 day on there site.as far as the stock goes some germans were just gone over them .they werent for the brit market

xausa , i have a griefelt in 11.2x60 schuler with a 28" barrel and 5 folding leaves so i guess whoever thought of whomever would be shooting these things, they must have figured on long distance shooting ,just imagine trying to shoot something at 500yards with this schuler round ,the drop is probably 4 feet , so there are a lot of things that dont make sense ,i dont even think you,d be allowed to take a shot that long by law these days ....paul

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: xausa]
      #124450 - 19/01/09 02:55 AM

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Does anyone know the rationale behind the stock design for this rifle? Is the extra long (26")barrel and extended three quarter length foreend an accomodation to perceived Africa conditions, and if so, which?

It's hard to believe that a rifle like this was ever actually used in Africa, given the fact that the calibers in which it was commonly available (e.g. 9.3X62 and 10.75X68) translate to use in hunting dangerous game, which would place emphasis on a short, handy rifle.



Think about the times. No TV, few moving picture shows and even few books with photographs. Information was still mostly word of mouth. And it must be remembered, Africa had only been explored (by Whitey) over the previous 30-40 years. There were still areas uncharted. For information coming from German East Africa (Tanzania) and German SW Africa (Namibia), there was probably amazement, if not disbelief, in the distances and game tenacity compared to a Mountain Chamois or a wild boar! Old Paul and Wilhelm probably thought, better make 'em long and hard hitting for the fellows going to the Dark Continent! Or maybe they just thought 'Africa Model' sounded cool!

Edited by A10ACN (19/01/09 03:34 AM)

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: A10ACN]
      #124460 - 19/01/09 04:36 AM

I dont agree! The information, in this time, about hunting and game in foreign countries was very good! I have a lot of original hunting papers of the time between 1898 and 1913! The design of this rifle is a little bit british! May be a custom model. For a german rifle of this time ( proof stamps between 1891-1939 ) i miss the typical german open sights, the "stecher",and a scope!

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: grandveneur]
      #126269 - 08/02/09 06:36 PM

New guy here but it was because of this rifle that I joined Nitro express. It is simply the best example of any model Mauser that i have ever had the priveledge of seeing. visions of this keep me awake at night planing to build something similar. In 9.3x62 it would make the complete set. I have built a 404 on a F N Colombian and am nearly finished a stalking rifle in 7x57. Once again, a truly beautiful rifle.

Von Gruff.

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: VonGruff]
      #126322 - 09/02/09 04:12 AM

Welcome Von Gruff!
I am a comparative newcomer here but can say you have found the best gunsite on the web.
Tons of info and experience here.
Please post stories/photos of your guns - you obviously have good taste.

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: VonGruff]
      #126347 - 09/02/09 06:58 AM

Welcome Von Gruff. Thank you for the compliments. It's great that I played a part in your decision to join NE, but I must apologize for causing your sleepless nights. Please, photos of your rifles.

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: grandveneur]
      #126524 - 10/02/09 01:10 PM

M Grandveneur-
I must respectfully defend the arguement in my post- I agree there were a good number of published papers and books at that time but availablity was nowhere near as widespread as today. Likewise, although its easy to assume people in the past were less educated, it was actually a lack of widespread knowledge. I refer to numerous papers and sketch books I own and have observed in my studies (MA- African Studies), even in many of the engravings of the day-the African animals are well executed but out of proportion due to the artists never observing the actual animal and drawing conclusions based off of, in many cases, domestic animals (house cats for lion, milk cows for buffalo, etc).
When the Euros divided up Africa in 1898, exploration was still ongoing. When we look at how rifles developed in different areas (US, UK, FR, GE, BN) during this period, and then their use in Africa, we find that a lot of the development occured due to general thoughts of the time/ place/culture. Fewer big bores coming out of France for example due to smaller and fewer elephant and buffalo in West Africa. Magazine rifles in GE East Africa and GE SW Africa due to game quantity and more importantly the reputation (and pride) of the mighty Mauser (and Mannlicher?). Bigger and bigger bore double rifles based off of the familiar and trusted British SxS shotgun in East Africa with tales of its massive beasts. I would venture that after WWI and Germany's loss of its piece of the African pie, that information going back to the German gunmakers suffered. Thus, we read of the lack of quality bullets from the German ammo makers (no problem with the cartridge designs as we now know!) during that time.
Although, I don't know that the Mauser Brothers had the thoughts written in my prior post, I think they may not be far off! But, I gotta say, I too would love to know for sure what Old Pete and Paul were thinking when they designed the African Model!!!
A10ACN

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: A10ACN]
      #127284 - 16/02/09 08:07 PM

Don

Very nice rifle.
You are the only other person that I know owns a model L Mauser, they are super rare.
I was at the raneg the other day and shot mine, It shoots very well with open sights.
My barrel is 70 cm (27.55")
I have loaded some GS Custom 329 grn HV hunting bullets and hope to get some good results with the long barrel, I will post results later this week if I get the time to shoot her.

Cheers,

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: JefferyDenmark]
      #127376 - 17/02/09 05:55 PM

Very nice. I particularly like the elephant engraving on the barrel and floorplate.

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Re: When Santa Brings Don S His Christmas Present . . . [Re: NitroX]
      #127410 - 18/02/09 05:45 AM

Thanks for the welcome. The 7x57 I am building on a 1908 DWM is at the gunsmiths for final work to be done. he is making a set of bases that are low to the reciever ring AND the bridge with the bridge base having a radiused, raised recoil stop on the front edge. Will use a set of different height Ruger rings with the locating studs ground off and the knurled knobs replaced by a set of Warne levers to make them QD, however primary sighting will be a striker mounted aperture that we are waiting for to arrive, Hence the need for the bases to both be low and unobtrusive as the 4 power scope will be carried in a day pack and not on the rifle to upset its unencumbered balance.I am not clever enough to be able to post pictures but if anyone is willing to post them for me when the rifle is returned I will email them to him. Will send a few of the 404 I built on a FN Colombian as well. Might even add one of a .33 inch group the 404 put up at 55 yds off the bench and through aperture sight.

Von Gruff.

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