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470Nitro
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Tasmanian Tiger
      #12280 - 23/03/04 08:17 PM



You have (or had) it closer . Do you think is alive or extinct??? Any tales about it??

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: 470Nitro]
      #12282 - 23/03/04 08:40 PM

I've spoken to alot of Tasmanians (the RAAFs full of them) who believe they are still around. The interior of Tassie is very rugged, I like to think there are some up there still..........make a nice rug

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Bakes]
      #12309 - 24/03/04 06:23 AM

Bakes

If there are any still around you better get over there. Get one before they are all gone.

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: mickey]
      #12313 - 24/03/04 07:10 AM

En respuesta a:

Get one before they are all gone.


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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: 470Nitro]
      #12330 - 24/03/04 09:29 AM

The rumour is the National Parks do know the location of some surviving animals but keep it and the location top secret.



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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: NitroX]
      #12338 - 24/03/04 11:06 AM

Hey, know anybody with the National Parks? Huh?

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: 475Guy]
      #12348 - 24/03/04 01:59 PM

There have been reports of them (last year) being seen here in the Territory as well.

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Bakes]
      #12350 - 24/03/04 02:42 PM

Are/were they native to Australia as well as Tasmania?

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: mickey]
      #12354 - 24/03/04 04:22 PM

Yep, the common belief is that the dingos arrival created some competition for them. As the dingo didn't make it to Tassie before it was cut off by the sea, the Tiger thrived there. We also had a marsupial lion on the mainland that was around when man first came to Australia.

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Bakes]
      #12361 - 24/03/04 06:11 PM

Bakes

We know the NT has the highest consumption rate of beer in the world and the fellows up there do strange thinks will spanners, snakes and dogs.

I can believe Tasmanian Tigers may have survived in the Tasmanian wilds but NT is a little hard to believe.


What killed off the marsupial lion? Aborigines or lack of prey? Any references to them?

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: NitroX]
      #12366 - 24/03/04 08:17 PM

Well while we are on the subject of the unexplained......

.....what do you all know about Studio 54??

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Bakes]
      #12367 - 24/03/04 08:19 PM

In reply to:

I've spoken to alot of Tasmanians (the RAAFs full of them)


Yeah? How many are there?? Do a headcount !?

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Marty]
      #12368 - 24/03/04 08:32 PM

Hope this helps;
The 'marsupial lion' was extinct well before the aboriginies and thier dingoes got here but some people claim to see them today. It is assumed this is the 'black cat' that is seen in various parts of oz.

bakes - your probably thinking of the Riversleigh thylacine - a relative of the tassi tiger that lived in nth aust rainforrest - along with the 'killer roo'

Id love to get my hands on one of the tassie tigers though.

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: shehuntz]
      #12369 - 24/03/04 08:49 PM

try this link click here

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Bakes]
      #12370 - 24/03/04 08:51 PM

I thought the mega fauna were still around when man arrived?

Just found this....

The extinction of the Australian megafauna

The extinction of the Australian megafauna has received much scientific and media attention, particularly after the publication of Tim Flannery's book "The Future Eaters" in 1994. Megafauna were a suite of large animals that disappeared towards the close of the Pleistocene and include the hippopotamus-sized Diprotodon and Zygomaturus, the giant kangaroo Procoptodon, the marsupial lion Thylacoleo, and the large flightless bird Genyornis. Flannery speculated that the megafaunal extinctions were the result of a 'blitzkrieg': overhunting by early human colonisers combined with fire-stick farming practises which changed the ecology of the continent so dramatically that many larger marsupial species were driven to extinction. The blitzkrieg model was arguably fortified by the dating of the extinction of Genyornis (Miller et al. 1999) to about 45,000 years ago in central Australia, though it was claimed that it survived until later in other locations (Field & Boles, 1998). Most recently, Roberts et al. (2001) presented optical dates on sediment layers at a series of sites which contained articulated megafauna remains. They argued that the megafauna went extinct within a short time period at about 46,000 years ago. However, Roberts et al.'s interpretation of the dates ignited a heated debate (e.g. Field & Fullagar 2001, Field & Wroe 2001; Wroe & Field 2001) because of the selective sampling, the effective sample size and the exclusion of any site that did not contain articulated skeletal remains (bones in anatomical order). The latter effectively excluded all archaeological sites. This included Cuddie Springs, where megafauna remains are found in physical association with flaked stone tools over a number of stratigraphic horizons, and dated from about 27,000 to 36,000 years ago (Field & Dodson, 1999; Field et al., 2001). The controversy surrounding Cuddie Springs and similar sites can be resolved by dating the megafauna fossils themselves (Roberts et al. 2001b,c) and examined in the context of other site data (e.g. geomorphology, archaeology etc.; see Field & Fullagar, 2001).

Our research is directed to establish the age of the Australian megafauna sites. U-series dating of eggshells and optical dating of sediments have provided important calibration points for the amino acid study of Miller et al. (1999). ESR dating has shown that some of the "young" megafauna sites, e.g. Lancefield (Huet et al. 1998) or Tambar Springs (Gr¸n, unpublished) are older than about 50,000 years. At the Naracoorte Caves (see Figures 1 and 2), we have used U-series dating as well as ESR dating to establish the the chronology of this World Heritage site back to more than 400,000 years (Gr¸n et al. 2001, Moriarty et al. 2000). Presently, we are collaborating with Judith Field (Sydney University), the Chief archaeologist at Cuddie Springs, to establish the age of the faunal remains of this significant site as well as with R. Wells (Flinders University) on numerous other megafauna sites in Australia.



References:


Flannery, T.F. (1994) The future eaters. Reed Books, Melbourne.
Field, J. & Boles, W. (1998) Genyornis newtoni and Dromaius novaehollandiae at 30,000 b.p. from Cuddie Springs, southeastern Australia. Alcheringa 22: 177-188.
Field, J. & Dodson (1999) Late Pleistocene megafauna and archaeology from Cuddie Springs, south-eastern Australia. Proc. Prehist. Soc. 65: 275-301.
Field, J. & Fullagar, R. (2001) Archaeology and Australian megafauna. Science 294: 7a.
Field, J & Wroe, S. (2001) Mystery of megafaunal extinction remains. Australasian Science 22: 21-25.
Field, J. et al. (2001) A large area archaeological excavation at Cuddie Springs. Antiquity 75: 696-702.
Gr¸n, R., Moriarty, K. and Wells, R. (2001) ESR dating of the fossil deposits in the Naracoorte Caves, South Australia. Journal of Quaternary Science 16: 49-59.
Huet, S.v., Gr¸n, R., Murray-Wallace, C.V., Redvers-Newton, N. and White, J.P. (1998) Age of the Lancefield megafauna: a reappraisal. Australian Archaeology 46: 5-11.
Miller, G.H. et al. (1999) Pleistocene extinction of Genyornis nemtoni: human impact on Australian megafauna. Science 283: 205-208.
Moriarty, K.C., McCulloch. M.T., Wells, R.T. and McDowell, M.C. (2000) Mid-Pleistocene cave fills, megafaunal remains and climate change at Naracoorte, South Australia: towards a predictive model using U/Th dating of speleothems. Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 159: 113-143.
Roberts, R.G. et al. (2001a) New ages for the last Australian megafauna: continental-wide extinction about 46,000 years ago. Science 292: 1888-1892.
Roberts, R.G. et al. (2001b) Response to Field & Fullagar. Science 294: 7a.
Roberts, R.G. et al. (2001c) The last Australian megafauna. Australasian Science 22: 40-41
Wroe, S. & Field, J. (2001) Red Herrings and Giant Wombats. Australasian Science (Nov), 22: 18.





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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Bakes]
      #12371 - 24/03/04 08:54 PM

Hi bakes. lol
Aborigines got here about 4000 yrs ago. I think the earliest fossil of the 'lion' is 7000 yrs old? Could be wrong.

cool - good searching bakes - i found this one - lol

http://www.amonline.net.au/mammals/fossil/move_over_sabre.htm

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: shehuntz]
      #12372 - 24/03/04 09:02 PM

Is that you Sam?.....

I think you need another 0 in there. The Aborrigionals have been here for at least 40,000 years some say as long as 60,000.

Found this

G. H. Miller and B. J. Johnson, Center for Geochronical Research, Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research (INSTAAR), and Department of Geological Sciences, University of Colorado, Boulder, CO 80309-0450, USA. J. W. Magee, Department of Geology, Austr.

More than 85 percent of Australian terrestrial genera with a body mass exceeding 44 kilograms became extinct in the Late Pleistocene. Although most were marsupials, the list includes the large, flightless mihirung Genyornis newtoni. More than 700 dates onGenyornis eggshells from three different climate regions document the continuous presence of Genyornis from more than 100,000 years ago until their sudden disappearance 50,000 years ago, about the same time that humans arrived in Australia. Simultaneous extinction of Genyornis at all sites during an interval of modest climate change implies that human impact, not climate, was responsible.



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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Bakes]
      #12373 - 24/03/04 09:04 PM

yeah - its me - i was thinking of the dingo - doh!!!!


Ahhhh - there you go - bloody man again -

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Bakes
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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: shehuntz]
      #12374 - 24/03/04 09:11 PM

Hey good to see you on Nitro's site, welcome aboard.

Its still to wet to go hunting up here but I haven't forgotten about the donkey cape

I've just bought a air brush and I'm slowly putting together the bits and pieces I need for the pig mount. I'm also thinking about a dingo mount this year as well

Again welcome aboard, I think your the first female member Go easy on the boys OPPPPS I forgot about Ann Sorry Ann

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Bakes]
      #12375 - 24/03/04 09:19 PM

Thanks bakes.
Took a while before i decided to join, glad i did.
Air brush - what type did you get? just got myself a new paasche also.

No worries about the donkey - your a busy man - . I've been trying to get a dingo for ages. One of the blokes that works 'some fence' was getting me a couple but i havnt heard from him for a long time. (hope he's still alive )


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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Bakes]
      #12376 - 24/03/04 09:21 PM

Just read your link, VERY interesting. I think the biggest cat to live was the cave lion....I'll check on that.

The 'American Lion' or Panthera atrox, (PAN-there-ah A-trox) was found roaming the american plains and open woodlands back in the Pleistocene period. Among the largest flesh-eating land animals in America that lived during the Ice Age.

Caves found in Europe show the drawnings done by Paleolithic ancestors about 40,000 to 10,000 years ago. Details show that the Eurasian and American lions were possable different then the modern African lion.

They were a little larger then the modern African lion and may of hunted ancient horses, buffalo, antelope and deer. Their remains are found throughout North and South America, from Alaska down to Peru.

It is thought that they crossed over from Siberia into North American and became isolated from their Asian relatives during the Wisconsinan Glaciation, some 80,000 to 10,000 years ago.

In 1853 scientist Leidy found a peice of a lower jaw in a collection donated to the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia from the American Philosophical Society. Thus became the Panthera atrox.

Becuase of fossils found it is determined that Males were nearly 25 percent larger than male African lions. With long slender limbs. They were larger than their heavily-built "cousins" the sabertooth cats (Smilodon), yet smaller than the rangy short-faced bear (Arctodus simus) fellow large carnivores of the period. But in features of the teeth and skeleton, American lions strongly resembled modern ones. Weighing around 350 - 500 pounds with long shaggy fur and a thick mane.

Extinct today but many remains are found at the La Brea Tar Pits in California.

Traceing back in history, the ancester of the American Lion was the Cave Lion. Lions seem to have been more common and widespread in the Yukon than the Homotherium also known as a scimitar cat, relative of the sabertoothed cat. It is thought that the American lions hunted in groups like African lions. That they may have sheltered in caves. But little is known of behaviors of any ancient cat.

American and cave lions became extinct about 10,000 years ago, perhaps mainly because of the earlier extinction of some of their large herbivorous prey, and their rather specialized hunting and feeding habits.

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Bakes]
      #12377 - 24/03/04 09:39 PM

In reply to:

Air brush - what type did you get? just got myself a new paasche also




Now don't laugh....I got it from Ebay its a tri- star

If I get some I'll send you a din...err wild dog (its illegal to dingos here) cape as well, the caping prep pratice will do me good.


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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: Bakes]
      #12389 - 25/03/04 02:59 AM

In reply to:

Again welcome aboard, I think your the first female member Go easy on the boys OPPPPS I forgot about Ann Sorry Ann




And after you posted those porno pictures of yourself for her too.

Is that why you got the air brush? To 'fix up' your pictures?

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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: mickey]
      #12391 - 25/03/04 03:19 AM

Welcome Sam, now I know its you.

We've had three (actually a couple more) huntin and shootin ladies here, Ann, that Happy Swedish girl and now Sammie. Not bad out of 460 members

Hoping for some more to join..



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Re: Tasmanian Tiger [Re: mickey]
      #12401 - 25/03/04 07:47 AM

No need to fix perfection Mickey

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