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bigmaxx
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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: Caprivi]
#119662 - 28/11/08 02:02 PM

I prefer a low powered scope in QD rings and a 500 grain bullet. The scope can be removed for a close quarters follow up or if it becomes damaged. If your in decent shape rifle rifle weight will be unimportant.

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: bigmaxx]
#121248 - 15/12/08 12:02 PM

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I prefer a low powered scope in QD rings and a 500 grain bullet. The scope can be removed for a close quarters follow up or if it becomes damaged. If your in decent shape rifle rifle weight will be unimportant.

I agree with bigmaxx 100%. My CZ 550 in 458WM went to Northern Ontario on a moose hunt in October. It was carried 5 full days through bogs, alder-choked low lands, over clearcuts riddled with deep water-filled holes made by skidders, over steep ridges with no sidewalks, etc. No moose, but I found I could hold steady on objects like trees and rocks out to 300 yds and beyond without a rest, after pushing myself in that terrain. That was due to the rifles weight and my own fitness. I'd have had no problem holding steady on a moose out to at least 300yds from the offhand stance.

The rifle itself weighs 9.3lbs. With a Burris Short Mag fixed 4X in Warne QD mounts, sling and 4 cartridges it comes in at an even 10.5lbs. The load was 350gr TSX's moving out at just over 2700 fps. One day I carried it with 6 rounds and never noticed any difference in weight.

I also had my 8.6lb 300WM along as a backup, and it never was taken out of its case.

BTW, I'm not in my 30's or 40's. I'm 70+ ! Granted, I'm in better shape than most 70 year-olds, or probably most 60 year-olds and even some 50 year-olds. I know that because I work with such people and hunt with guys in their 40's and 50's! The point of this is not to boast but to point out that 20 years ago I was badly overweight by 35lbs and found I had diabetes! Today, I'm much healthier than then and I'd rather carry 2 extra pounds of rifle any day over 35 lbs of excess blubber!

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: 458ONLY]
#121250 - 15/12/08 12:38 PM

I agree now. I went with a stock #1 at around 9.5 pounds. What a pussycat!! Shooting 350gr Hornady RN at 2400fps is pure joy. I can hold steady with no rest much better than with a lighter rifle with no problem. I may add a small scope just to make sighting easier but I'm perfectly happy with factory open sights.

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: 458ONLY]
#121254 - 15/12/08 01:45 PM

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...........Today, I'm much healthier than then and I'd rather carry 2 extra pounds of rifle any day over 35 lbs of excess blubber!

Not to hi-jack the thread but this is very true in all of our outdoor adventures. Our weight matters far more than gun weight.

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: Bloodnativ]
#121293 - 16/12/08 01:48 AM

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I agree now. I went with a stock #1 at around 9.5 pounds. What a pussycat!! Shooting 350gr Hornady RN at 2400fps is pure joy.

Sounds good! Have you tried 500s at 2150 yet? Just curious

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: JabaliHunter]
#121297 - 16/12/08 02:56 AM

Sounds good! Have you tried 500s at 2150 yet? Just curious

I haven't had the chance to try the 500s yet but I can't wait to do so. I'll probably wait until after the end of the month, which is also the end of deer season here, when I'll have a little more time to play with them.

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: SAFARIKID]
#121300 - 16/12/08 04:10 AM

I agree! I have a 500 Jeffery with a light barrel of 24", without scope it weigh about 7 1/2 Ibs. The recoil is a little bit strong but i am not recoil shy!

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: grandveneur]
#121310 - 16/12/08 05:48 AM

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I agree! I have a 500 Jeffery with a light barrel of 24", without scope it weigh about 7 1/2 Ibs. The recoil is a little bit strong but i am not recoil shy!

May I please borrow your scales for my next health check with my doctor.

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: grandveneur]
#121357 - 17/12/08 12:14 AM

Does your scope weigh 3lb by any chance?

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: JabaliHunter]
#121379 - 17/12/08 05:09 AM

Sorry,that's a small one,about 1 Ibs! When you try to forget the recoil, my jeffery is a good shooter! My biggest recoil was a duplicate shot with my double/boxlock 577NE.I had a problem with the triggers.Since that time i dont have problems with recoil!

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: grandveneur]
#121391 - 17/12/08 11:34 AM

One of the benefits of the 458WM is that I believe it can be built as per a sporter weight 30/06 and still be manageable, particularly if 350gr and 400gr projectiles are planned. The 510's bite a bit more but it wont be noticed in the field. As mentioned before, stock design is super important. At one time I owned both a CZ550 in 458Lott and Marlin 45/70 ... with both loaded hot the CZ was by far the more comfortable of the two rifles!
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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: Con]
#122547 - 29/12/08 10:06 AM

I'm not sure what my .458Lott Ruger 77 RSM weighs, but I know it is a log and gets plenty heavy around 3p.m. while stalking Buff or Ele in the heat.

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: AfricaHunter]
#167485 - 09/09/10 11:24 PM

I think you can get away with a 9.5lbs 458 Mag quite comfortably. My Mod 70 African originally weighed 8.5lbs and I new that was rather brisk. The load was a 500 grainer at 2130fps. I added a mercury reducer in the butt and some lead in the for end to get the balance back. I initially hated the feel as that lovely handling went away. Having fired the rifle later, I much preferred the new variation. The rifle became lots more controllable and I've got used to the handling since.

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Re: 458 Win Mag Weight? [Re: grandveneur]
#167491 - 10/09/10 03:21 AM

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My biggest recoil was a duplicate shot with my double/boxlock 577NE.I had a problem with the triggers.Since that time i dont have problems with recoil!

A bit of a wakeup call i suppose.

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