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9.3x57
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9.3x62 Final Word!
      #119724 - 29/11/08 09:23 AM

I posted here to allow y'all to plug your favorite handloads if desired, but I'm looking for all and any info on 9.3x62 RIFLES and AMMUNITION you care to print. Post gun photos if you like, but please size them small.

Now I know there are a pile of 9.2x62's owned by NE Forum types, and I'm curious to see some. Who has the shortest barrel? Who has the longest barrel? {I can hear Bramble now... }

Any comments you care to make about the caliber are fine also, especially if they are controversial.

Well?

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 9.3x57]
      #119726 - 29/11/08 09:42 AM


Damn good calibre, great range of bullets,
kills well both short and long range.

Not much is bad about it.


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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 9.3x57]
      #119727 - 29/11/08 10:00 AM

Not sure if I had mentioned this before but in this months addition of RIFLE SHOOTER-- on page 26..is a pretty good article on this caliber..FYI

thx

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: Ripp]
      #119729 - 29/11/08 10:23 AM

I use RWS brass which is great but just picked up 200 Lapua cases which are also great and at a better price.
Australian powders such as AR2206, AR2206H and AR2208 are great for this calibre. These powder are sold in the US under the Hodgden brand.


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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: Ripp]
      #119730 - 29/11/08 10:25 AM

Thanks, RIPP, very helpful. I think the IGA has that rag and I'll look for it.

Thanks also, Oz.

As for you, 500...

C'mon, I bet you have more to say when the wife asks you how the dress looks!! Specifics please!



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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 9.3x57]
      #119731 - 29/11/08 10:27 AM


9ThreeXFifty7

I don't have a wife !!!!


And I shoot a 9.3 x 64 anyway......

but I do like the '62.


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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: ozhunter]
      #119732 - 29/11/08 10:27 AM

Quote:

Australian powders such as AR2206, AR2206H and AR2208 are great for this calibre.




Do you know which H powders they are?

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #119733 - 29/11/08 10:29 AM

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9ThreeXFifty7

I don't have a wife !!!!


And I shoot a 9.3 x 64 anyway......

but I do like the '62.




Sorry...

What velocity {barrel length, too} do you get with what bullet weight in x64?

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 9.3x57]
      #119738 - 29/11/08 11:12 AM

This page gives the burning rate equivalents for ADI powders.
Hodgden market the Aussie ADI powders as their "Extreme" range because they are unaffected by ambient temperature.

In the range of interest to us
AR2206H is H4895
AR2208 is Varget
AR2209 is H4350
AR2213SC is H4831

and I'm pretty sure, but not positive, that
AR2217 is H1000.

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 9.3x57]
      #119745 - 29/11/08 11:52 AM

9.3 I just ain't going to do it



I would rate the 9.3 x 62 as one of the finest large game calibers. Mild to shoot accurate and a sure killer.
The load I used was a woodleigh 286 grain SP over 54 grains of H4895 for around 2300 fps.
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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: Bramble]
      #119753 - 29/11/08 01:37 PM

Thanks Marrakai.

Bramble, thanks for showing off your barrel...

What action did you use to build your takedown?

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 9.3x57]
      #119785 - 30/11/08 12:33 AM

Wasent I a good boy....

The rifle is built on a 1916 Kornbush & Co. action. Lother Walther barrel. The express sight ramp is custom mechined for the rifle. It is not fitted for a scope as this would have spoiled the origional engraving on the reciever ring which is perfect and it seemed like sacrilidge.




IT IS CURRENTLY FOR SALE AT 3500.00. Unfortunatly it cannot go to the US as it is a thumb cut action. There is a thread on the forum following its construction and its hunt in Africa before it was finished.

Its big brother in .404 is featured below. That went to Finland 2 weeks ago with other forum members. Again it was unfinished at the time and is now with my finisher. It should be availible in Jan/Feb for those who may be interested. It is on a commercial action so it can go anywhere in the world. P.O.A



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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: Bramble]
      #119786 - 30/11/08 12:47 AM

Thanks and congratulations! Very nice and these days {travel...} they have got to be that much nicer to take along!

Who is the fellow next to you? Looks familiar!

BTW, I like the extended bolt handle on that 9.3. For deer, here, I'm thinking cold, gloves, being left-handed and easy to grab.

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 9.3x57]
      #119794 - 30/11/08 02:25 AM

Congratulation from here too...

I guess that was the .404 you were talking about.. Looks great from here..

I can presume you had a good time in Suomi..

Edited by rigbymauser (30/11/08 02:27 AM)


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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: Bramble]
      #119798 - 30/11/08 02:56 AM

Quote:

IT IS CURRENTLY FOR SALE AT 3500.00. Unfortunatly it cannot go to the US as it is a thumb cut action. Its big brother in .404 is featured below. That went to Finland 2 weeks ago with other forum members. Again it was unfinished at the time and is now with my finisher. It should be availible in Jan/Feb for those who may be interested. It is on a commercial action so it can go anywhere in the world. P.O.A




A quick question.
Would a magnum length Mauser or an original square bridge be allowed for importation to the US? Thumb cut or not, it is not a military action, right?

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: Huvius]
      #119825 - 30/11/08 09:00 AM

My 9.3X62 is built on a Brazilian 1908 Mauser(Oberndorf). The barrel is from Bevan King and is 21" long. The stock is Black walnut that I carved from a blank. I also did the rust bluing.

It has a Dayton-Traister trigger and a 2-position M70-style safety and a 1" Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad. The barrel band is from Talley. The bolt handle was done by Ralf Martini.

The rifle weighs in at 8 1/4 lbs scoped and empty.

It is capable of consistent sub-moa groups with Nosler Partition, Hornady and Speer bullets at 100 meters. Velocities with the 286 NP's and 59 gr of RL15 run around 2350 fps.

I recently had the barrel pruned back from 24.75" to 21" and only lost 15-20 fps per inch.



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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: Tiagra]
      #119827 - 30/11/08 09:30 AM

Tiagra:

Very nice bull and rifle!

THANKS for the post. Info is just what I'm looking for. Great looking rifle, too. I can't tell, but is there a brake on the muzzle or just tape marks or something?

Thanks for the bbl info, too. Mine coming will have a 19+- inch bbl.

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 9.3x57]
      #119830 - 30/11/08 10:15 AM

Quote:

Unfortunatly it cannot go to the US as it is a thumb cut action.



What!!! Bolt-action sporting rifles built on ex-military actions can't be sent from the UK to the US????

That would include well over half the British sporters ever made!!

Surely this can't be true!

Is this a UK export regulation or a US import restriction?

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 9.3x57]
      #119837 - 30/11/08 11:46 AM

Quote:

Tiagra:

Very nice bull and rifle!

THANKS for the post. Info is just what I'm looking for. Great looking rifle, too. I can't tell, but is there a brake on the muzzle or just tape marks or something?

Thanks for the bbl info, too. Mine coming will have a 19+- inch bbl.




Thanks.

It's amazing the effect that a 286 gr NP has on an elk at 18 yards.

It's electricians tape put on to keep stuff out of the barrel. I was still on the hunt when I took the photo

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: Tiagra]
      #119838 - 30/11/08 11:53 AM

Quote:

It's electricians tape put on to keep stuff out of the barrel.




Gotcha.

I do the same thing.

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 9.3x57]
      #119840 - 30/11/08 12:19 PM

BTW

Here's some ballistic data I forgot to post.

After I had the barrel shortened from 24.75" to 21" the velocities were obviously reduced but not by as much as I thought they would be.

The data is organized by gr/vel before/vel after/difference/loss per inch

RL15 270 Speer
59/2448/2363/85/23
60/2504/2361/143/38
61/2569/2417/152/40

RL15 285 Prvi Partizan
58/2378/2303/75/20
59/2405/2348/57/15

Varget 285 Prvi Partizan
58/2421/2347/73/19

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: Tiagra]
      #119842 - 30/11/08 01:40 PM

Great info Tiagra.

The x62 coming to me is my CZ550 6.5x55 rebarreled with a factory 9.3x62 barrel, lopped shorter than the regular American Model length so the velocity info is helpful.

Here's the history of the thing:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....85908216f1b048f

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....85908216f1b048f

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....85908216f1b048f

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: Tiagra]
      #119843 - 30/11/08 01:47 PM

OK

I actually phoned the BATF and spoke to them last week to get the complete info on this.

A mauser sporting rifle which has a thumb cut and charger bridge from a recognised maker may be imported into the US if :

The action was removed from the production line before it was assembled by Mauser (or same) and never barreled or proved. This then makes Rigby's H+H Jeffery's ect importable if the only markings they bear are english.

Mod A's B's ect under the same criteria.

A "sporterised" Military Mauser may not be imported no matter who carried out the work, or when it was done, other than as above.

An unaltered military Mauser may be imported as a curio.

I am told by BATF that this is not new legislation but dates from many years ago and was introduced at the behest of the US firearms manufactures to protect their market position.

It is up to the person importing to satisfy BATF of meeting the criteria above. The chap that looks at this was very nice and very knowledgable. If it is a genuine case he will let it in and he does know the difference !!
He is not trying to keep good guns out, in fact he stated to me that it would be nice to have these good quality pieces in the US. He offered that if there was any doubt about a particular gun he would be happy to look at a proper set of photographs before a purchase or attempt to import was made.

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: Huvius]
      #119844 - 30/11/08 01:49 PM

A quick question.
Would a magnum length Mauser or an original square bridge be allowed for importation to the US? Thumb cut or not, it is not a military action, right?




Correct, it was ony ever a sporting action by definition. So it is importable.

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Re: 9.3x62 Final Word! [Re: 9.3x57]
      #119904 - 01/12/08 04:00 AM

Quote:

The x62 coming to me is my CZ550 6.5x55 rebarreled with a factory 9.3x62 barrel, lopped shorter than the regular American Model length so the velocity info is helpful.




9ThreeXFifty7,

I knew you'd get the 9.3x62 bug! You're going to really like the 9.3x62. (BTW, I still haven't gotten to the range to shoot my Husky Model 46 in 9.3x57. I'll get around to it, though.)

I'm pretty sure you've seen the following info before, that I have posted in other threads, but I thought I'd add it to this thread:






Here's the load I used in South Africa back in 2005:

Chrono Date: 4/23/2005
Cartridge: 9.3x62
Rifle: CZ 550 American
Barrel Length: 23.6"
Bullet: 286 gr Woodleigh RN
Powder: 58.0 gr of RL-15
Case Make: Graf
Primer: Winchester WLR
C.O.L. 3.30"

Chrono Summary (10 shots)
Average Velocity: 2,393 fps
Average Energy: 3,636 ft lb
High Velocity: 2,410 fps
Low Velocity: 2,372 fps
Extreme Spread: 38 fps
Standard Deviation: 12 fps

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