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Balistics quite aside.

The way I see it is that you can fuck a pretty girl in a cheep motel,..Or you can fuck her on the satin sheets of a penthouse suite at the Park Lane Hilton.

At the end of the day pussy's pussy, but it is a hell of a classier ride.

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Agree totally...my statements regarding the Rigby were "tongue in cheek"..no pun intended.. --



The Ruger RSM in my opinion was brought to market as Bill Ruger wanted to see the 416 revived and selected the 416Rigby over the 416Taylor ... its a heavy action and way too expensive in 375H&H ... especially in Australia. If Ruger introduced the 505Gibbs and/or 500Jeffery ... then the RSM would have a purpose. (quote)
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As to the Rigby, if memory serves me correctly, Ruger started offering the Rigby after Remington come out with their own round...soon after you had Ruger offering the Rigby and Weatherby with their own 416 which come out shortly after the Remington as well...


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As to the Rigby, if memory serves me correctly, Ruger started offering the Rigby after Remington come out with their own round...soon after you had Ruger offering the Rigby and Weatherby with their own 416 which come out shortly after the Remington as well...

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As to the Rigby, if memory serves me correctly, Ruger started offering the Rigby after Remington come out with their own round...soon after you had Ruger offering the Rigby and Weatherby with their own 416 which come out shortly after the Remington as well...
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Ripp,
I think the surprise was that Remington brought the first American 416 rifle to the commercial market. Ruger had been implicated in 416's for awhile as had Winchester ... Ruger had looked at and chambered 416Taylors as per the articles written by Ken Waters. Allegedly the inability to get an ammunition manufacturer to follow stopped Ruger with the Taylor. Winchester had also looked at the 416Taylor and Ken Howell's creation ... the 416Howell. George Hoffman's 416Hoffman must have caught Remington's attention on the quiet. That they were the first was the biggest surprise I suppose.

The 416Ruger rifle I think will be quite popular as it's a great package as a whole ... dual crossbolts, open sights and semi-traditional looks, 416Rigby equivalent speeds, lighter and trimmer than a CZ ... neat idea.
Cheers...
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Agree--it did take the industry by surprise with Remington introducing the .416..as for myself, really glad they did..like that one quite a bit..but like several others as well...375, 458, Ultra-mags, 204, 220 swift, 257 Weatherby,..etc.....

As for the .416, really do feel it will be a winner early on..ready an article by another magazine where the author restocked it as he was not happy with the "sticky" feel of the current Hogue factory one..think I would probably do the same thing along with changing out the safety --too small and unhandy in my opinion...but overall, think it will be a very handy close range weapon..

Take care

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The new Ruger gets my approval too. I took two Rugers to Zimbabwe last year and they performed exceptionally well. I also like the affordability factor. My Hawkeye African was under 800.00 new. I love the old time tested calibers, but I would rather spend my money hunting rather than purchasing overpriced rifles. Dont get me wrong, if I could afford them I would have Rigby Doubles and Holland and Hollands. I cant afford them so I hunt. The choice is a no brainer for me.

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Think most that have hunted Africa would agree with your statement...

While in the middle of the thick stuff..its the thrill of being within mere feet of DG that does it for me...and quite frankly, not a whole lot comes remotely close...well, there's that one.. ...but other than that...

I do agree there is that romance of carrying an old double or nostalgic caliber rifle...but if it's a choice between going hunting or getting a new gun...I'll take the hunting...

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Anticipated time frame is two months until available. Great time talking with them.

Talked to RCBS and they told me that by the time Hornady produces theirs, then they get thru the legal wrangling and permission it would be 6-8 months for them to follow, and be in the custom line at first..

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Which, when translating to the gun industry will be 4 months for Hornady and a year for RCBS...

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Just returned from Reno and had several of my questions answered by the people in the know. I talked with Hornady reps about the dies and was disappoinjted. He called back to the factory for me while I waited, and they have not started tooling up for the 416 dies yet. Anticipated time frame is two months until available. Great time talking with them.

Talked to RCBS and they told me that by the time Hornady produces theirs, then they get thru the legal wrangling and permission it would be 6-8 months for them to follow, and be in the custom line at first..

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Most of the green box dies I have accumulated over the years are not concentric from the bodies to the neck portion. Take a straight case (proven) and size it without the expander button in the die, they come out crooked in the neck. We hates it. I am slowly changing all my dies over to Lee or Hornady. I do like the collet dies for my varmint rounds.

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They are adding the 404 Jeffery and 470 and 500 NE to their ammunition catalog this year. Dies are on the way as well. Should provide some needed price competition into the market.

http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=791

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They are adding the 404 Jeffery and 470 and 500 NE to their ammunition catalog this year. Dies are on the way as well. Should provide some needed price competition into the market.

http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=791

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saw some prices on the Hornady ammo--it is currently about half of what Federal (the robbers) are currently charging.. seriously, what a bunch of BS...they sell .470 ammo in 2006 or there abouts, for $179 per box--thx it goes to $279 the next year and $379 the following year...GREED is the explanation...of course, IMHO...

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The price of factory ammo certainly made the price of the RCBS dies easier to take. Until the Hornady ammo hits the street I paid the same price for the dies as 20 rounds of A-Square ammo would cost me. If I didn't load all of my own ammo I would probably never buy a DR, at least in the big NE cartridges, due to the cost of feeding them.

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Ripp,
I think your explanation was perfect! GREED.
Cheers...
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Maybe the ammo industry is already being "Obamafied" with it's ridiculously increased prices. Maybe Federal was promised major kick-backs from the Osama administration for doing so.

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Possible, but unlikely as the prices had taken these increases before anyone really knew who Obama was--with the exception of the Chicago maufia and known terrorists of course...


Think it is simply, Federal felt as though individuals that purchase doubles and travel to Africa are willing to throw big money after a box of ammo..probably think the average "executive" either doesn't have the knowledge, time, or both to roll their own..therefore will have to buy at the ridiculous high prices...

As to how many they sold--no idea, but as stated, apparently Hornady feels it is enough to be worth the effort of tooling up to do so...and at HALF THE PRICE...good for them...hope they take over the market...

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