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Mike_Bailey
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Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54
#117803 - 29/10/08 12:19 AM

Hi all, I am interested in finding a model of the above the rifle, vintage 1953-1961, for use as a custom job, needs to be in very good condition. If anyone has any ideas where I might go please let me know, best, Mike

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#118245 - 04/11/08 01:46 AM

Mike,

Check www.empiregunsight.co.uk and www.stensby.co.uk

Of course, you must post pictures here when you find your rifle!

Good hunting!

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#118983 - 17/11/08 04:32 AM

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Hi all, I am interested in finding a model of the above the rifle, vintage 1953-1961, for use as a custom job, needs to be in very good condition. If anyone has any ideas where I might go please let me know, best, Mike

Did they still chamber the 6.5 those years?

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: mickey]
#119000 - 17/11/08 11:20 AM

Mike:
Sounds like you have something specific in mind, but if you're flexible I would suggest looking for a Greek military Mannlicher. I wouldn't consider butchering a nice one, they have collector value of course, but most of those I've seen have stuffed bores and punky wood whereas the action itself is often in fine condition. Asking price is usually in the order of drinking-money.

There's just such an example tucked away in my gunsafe for a rainy day......

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Marrakai]
#119098 - 18/11/08 09:57 PM

Exactly what I am looking for Marrakai, just a really good action. There are two Mannlichers coming up for sale at Holts but they too nice to chop up just to provide an action.I bought a nice 20 year old French walnut blank yesterday which is being posted to the gunsmith in the States, he will do all the work, new barrel, probably change calibre to 6.5 X 55SE as so much easier to find and cheaper and will try the Woodleigh 160 grainer when it is all finished..if anyone in the US or UK or Spain comes across one of these let me know, best, Mike

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#119120 - 19/11/08 06:09 AM

Mike, Mike, Mike.

I posted on anther thread about a friend wanting to build a .275 Rigby on a Winchester action.

Now I must object to taking a perfectly good Mannlicher and making a 6.5 Swede out of it.

That is just as big a sacrilege.

Why not take a 1955 Corvette and put in a Ford Engine? How How about putting Wankel Rotary in a Rolls Royce Phaeton? Getting a new King of England from Germany? (oh yeah, sorry)

Mike, please rethink this. The 6.5x54 is wonderful just the way it is. Easy to reload and ammunition is available if you look a bit.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: mickey]
#119159 - 19/11/08 02:54 PM

Mike:
I'm sure you realise the difficulty of altering the chambering on a pre-WWII Mannlicher due to the precise fit of Otto Schönauer's marvellous rotary magazine. The problems involved in altering the 6.5x54 to the 6.5x55 would be insurmountable I suspect, due to the greater cartridge OAL and the much larger case-head diameter of the Swedish cartridge.

If you want to do that, a rebarrelled M1905 might work (if you could find one!), otherwise you may have to stick with the post-1950 box-magazine variants.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Marrakai]
#119161 - 19/11/08 03:04 PM

Just find one in 6.5x54ms and run it as it is.
You'll love it, and you'll never miss running the 6.5x55 at all.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: tinker]
#119177 - 19/11/08 08:16 PM

OK Guys, I'll keep it as a 6.5 X 54 MS. My gunsmith in the USA did say regrinding the magazine was an option but if I stick with the 6.5mm MS I won't have to to that. I see David at Kynoch can make the ammo and he will make it with the woodleigh 160 grainers but charge me GBP60 for a proof fire. Reloading here is a pain but Kynoch has a Spanish agent I think. I'll try and post some pics when it is finished in 2010

best, Mike

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#119180 - 19/11/08 08:56 PM

Its a pity you can't reload easily. Everyone makes dies for the 6.5x54 MS, and new RWS cases should be easy to source. Hornady make a lovely 160gr RNSP, and Woodleigh too I believe for the serious stuff.

I'm certainly not the only hunter to appreciate that the 6.5x54 cartridge kills out of all proportion to its ballistics.

The bore of my 1903 6.5 Carbine has never known a bullet other than 160gr RN while in my custody, nor will it ever!

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Marrakai]
#119192 - 20/11/08 01:11 AM

Marrakai, reloading in Spain used to be illegal and everyone did it then they made it legal but with a big exam and no one does it. I think this just means everyone does it still but ignores the law. I know a lot of people cross the border to Portugal to get their "supplies". Here is a question for some of you. Suppose I want to reload 4 calibres, 6.5 X 54 MS, .30-06, .375 H@H rimmed and .500 3" NE, what press and dies would you recommend. I have been advised RCBS are the best. I would also need powder scales, chamfers etc. I already have the Nosler, Hornady, A Square (not to be relied on I hear), Lymans reloading catalogues and lastly, a tough one, which one powder for each calibre will suit me assuming heavier bullet weights in each on the calibres, i.e. 160 in the 6.5, 180-200 in the .30-06, 300 in the .375 and standard 570 in the .500 NE. Jabali, I guess you are in the industry in the UK. Do I need a UK firearms cert to buy reloading gear or will a Spanish and/or EEC cert suffice ? What will be my outlay for the above ?
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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#119273 - 21/11/08 05:46 AM

there will be mannlicher schönauer on egun every week
http://www.egun.de/market/list_items.php...amp;x=7&y=6

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: lancaster]
#119295 - 21/11/08 11:42 PM

Mike

If you want the option of trying projectiles other than the 160 gn round noses I reckon go for a post war action as per your original post. Although no expert, I do know my 1903 take down will only feed reliably with the big round noses and even then COAL is critical because of the design of the rotary mag. I'm going thru the same decisions now and will most probably off load the '03 and try to find a 1950 to replace it with.

The 1950 and later mag has the metal support ring which helps hold the case bodies against the spindle instead of relying on the projectile nose being the correct shape and length to support it at the front end of the mag. Better chance of being able to get reliable feeding with different projectile shapes and weights this way.

Hope this helps.

Cheers.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: GG375]
#119489 - 26/11/08 12:58 AM

Thanks for the help here, I guess I'm looking for a post 1950 action then, cheers, Mike

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#119986 - 02/12/08 01:11 AM

Hi Mike,
please send me a PM and I will send you some pictures of a Steyr 1907 carbine top rifle in 6,5x54 M.Sch. ready for sale.
regards Johann

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#120109 - 03/12/08 04:04 AM

Mike,

I was talking to a buddy last night, and it came in conversation that a friend of ours had a 6.5x54 MS action or two sitting in his safe that he might want to part with. No barrel or stock, just actions (as the rifles were torn apart for pieces and parts at the time when they were very common).

Let me know if you're interested...the guy's in New Mexico...

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: MarinePMI]
#120220 - 03/12/08 09:25 PM

very interested indeed, I'll send you a PM, best, Mike

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#120256 - 04/12/08 03:55 AM

Mike,

I spoke to my buddy last night, and alas, he's decided he wants to hold on to them for a bit.

Sorry for raising any false hopes...

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: MarinePMI]
#122881 - 03/01/09 06:57 AM

I'm interested in some "blow by blow" accounts of game taken with the 6.5x54MS; I'm thinking of downsizing my rifle collection and am not sure which to part with. I'd like some observations on actual game taken; range, size/type of game, where struck, and other pertinent points, from people who have used it in more recent times than Bell, Percival, and Hemingway's spouses--and perhaps even some comparisons with game taken with the 6.5x55, 7x57, 8x56MS, 8x57, 9x57, and so on. It doesn't have to just be favorable results, either. Anyone out there?
Thanks! windywales

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: windy]
#128695 - 04/03/09 06:53 AM

Windy,

As to the .256 Mannlicher (6.5x54) employing neck or high shoulder placement :Never had a "failure" with 160 Hornady or 160 Sierra in Norma case and MRP at 41 to 42 gr (depending on which weapon I loaded for)(REDUCE in your gun and work up).
Whether, Whitetail, Hog or Elk (within suitable range, less than 250yds)all hit as intended crumpled.
If I do my job it always does its job.

(While a 180lb Whitetail hit 4 time in the paunch (scope failure) with a 45-70 left the scene after being bowled over each time at 110 yds)(many years ago and still haunts me)

All of the cartridges you mentioned I have loaded for and used at one time or another and have nothing bad to say about any of them. The "litte" gun is however my favourite after 40+ years of hunting, though I leave it in the scabbard for the long range (250+) and the heavies (bear etc)

My boys have used its relative (near twin) the Swede 6.5x55 very well as they progressed from heart/lung to high shoulder placement. This load is a Barnes X or TSX 130gr (faster and flatter)
is equally devastating.

Keep the "little" gun and enjoy.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#128818 - 06/03/09 02:30 AM

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Marrakai, reloading in Spain used to be illegal and everyone did it then they made it legal but with a big exam and no one does it. I think this just means everyone does it still but ignores the law. I know a lot of people cross the border to Portugal to get their "supplies". Here is a question for some of you. Suppose I want to reload 4 calibres, 6.5 X 54 MS, .30-06, .375 [Email]H@H[/Email] rimmed and .500 3" NE, what press and dies would you recommend. I have been advised RCBS are the best. I would also need powder scales, chamfers etc. I already have the Nosler, Hornady, A Square (not to be relied on I hear), Lymans reloading catalogues and lastly, a tough one, which one powder for each calibre will suit me assuming heavier bullet weights in each on the calibres, i.e. 160 in the 6.5, 180-200 in the .30-06, 300 in the .375 and standard 570 in the .500 NE. Jabali, I guess you are in the industry in the UK. Do I need a UK firearms cert to buy reloading gear or will a Spanish and/or EEC cert suffice ? What will be my outlay for the above ?
best
Mike

Sorry Mike - didn't see this before. Next time you are in the UK check out Reloading Solutions near Oxford.... You don't need a license for the equipment, just the powder, bullets and cases. Cases wouldn't be problem if you buy 100 or so Kynoch to begin with. As for presses, the RCBS is good, but you could also look at the Forster Co-Ax but I can't say for certain if it will take the 470 or 500 (you might need bigger jaws for the case holder).

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5X54 [Re: JabaliHunter]
#128834 - 06/03/09 06:39 AM

Thx Jabali, I have the RCBS press on its way, the rest I'm sorting. Any chance you could get to this lunch/dinner in London at the Holts auction ? would love to meet up, best, Mike

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