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ReverendRecoil
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Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R?
#115084 - 22/09/08 06:40 AM

Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? It's performance is close to the 30-06, can fire a broad range of .308 bullets, brass and loaded ammo are common, and its case is rimmed. Is 45,000 c.u.p. pressure too much for most double rifles? The 303 British is loaded to 42,000 c.u.p.

Is there a bias against this cartridge for being associated to the slight crudeness if the Mosin-Nagant rifle? I was just wondering.

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: ReverendRecoil]
#115086 - 22/09/08 07:02 AM

30R Blaser + others of older vintage ?

You know what it's like in the trade, one thing takes off, another doesn't.

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: ReverendRecoil]
#115087 - 22/09/08 07:05 AM

Other than pressure, which would tend to mitigate against using this round as a basis for a DR/shotgun conversion, I would think there is absolutely no reason not to have this as a DR round. The rimmed design & generous body taper should make for easy feeding & extraction. It maybe that the same taper may give too great a back thrust?, thats getting out of my territory. Such a rifle could be built as a very nice trim little sporter. Its a good calibre with all the attributes you've stated. Its still on my list is possibles for a Saimese Mauser action I have.
Steve

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: shinz]
#115134 - 22/09/08 04:40 PM

There is no doubt it would work, its just a matter of taste. The 'enemy at the gates' associations of your round would make it unattractive unless, perhaps in a Baikal. The advantages of a zillion different available projectiles are less attractive, when you have to pursue regulation for each bullet you try. On the other hand, a Baikal in this calibre would be pretty neat. - Imagine perhaps a Siberian hunt?

I would much rather have a .303 double - because doubles for me are about the glamour of past times in India and Africa, and the .303 is a heritage item here.

Edited by ChrisPer (22/09/08 04:44 PM)

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: ReverendRecoil]
#115136 - 22/09/08 04:43 PM

Isnt there a 307w thats alomst the same as 308?

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: ReverendRecoil]
#115138 - 22/09/08 05:27 PM

I had an Bruno ZH combo 7x57R/16ga. adaptation - 16ga. barrel was blown and replaced with 7,62x54R - it ended as a double 7x57R over/7,62x54R under - with ZH you can shoot both barrels with second trigger (first under then over) - front trigger was sawn off and it worked allright. have used it on a couple of roe and red deer as well as on boars - would definitively pick 7,62x54R over .308 win.

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: ChrisPer]
#115141 - 22/09/08 05:57 PM

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There is no doubt it would work, its just a matter of taste. The 'enemy at the gates' associations of your round would make it unattractive unless, perhaps in a Baikal. The advantages of a zillion different available projectiles are less attractive, when you have to pursue regulation for each bullet you try. On the other hand, a Baikal in this calibre would be pretty neat. - Imagine perhaps a Siberian hunt?

I would much rather have a .303 double - because doubles for me are about the glamour of past times in India and Africa, and the .303 is a heritage item here.

Herein lies one of the great imponderables of firearms, form vs function. I fall on the function side of the line & while I don't like fugly firearms, sometimes beauty is as beauty does. There are obviously plenty who fall the other way, & revel in firearms with glorious engraving & fancy checkering. For me, I'm happy to skip the engraving & checkering is to hang onto. Not quite true but by way of illustration I think the Heym PH doubles & probably the forhcoming Searcy basic doubles would be all I'd ever want. & yes, a Baikal double in 7.62x54 regulated for 180 or 200 gr bullets would be an excellent working double, do everthing I wanted it too in NZ (well maybe struggle on Tahr & Chamois), & certainly cut the mustard on an African plains game hunt other than for uber long shots but I might just have to work a bit harder to shrink the ranges, so aesthetics aside, it'd work for me just fine.
Steve

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: shinz]
#115146 - 22/09/08 06:40 PM

Russians; being Baikal and the old royal Tula armoury (and Lebeau Courally pre WW1) have done them for decades in all grades. Don't knock the Russians from what products you plebs imagine as the "norm".

There is some spectacular stuff around in eastern Europe (incl Rus).

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: kamilaroi]
#115435 - 25/09/08 04:36 AM

you are rigth, lots of combination and double rifles made in 7,62x54R, also in 9,3x53R

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: kamilaroi]
#115436 - 25/09/08 04:38 AM

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Russians; being Baikal and the old royal Tula armoury (and Lebeau Courally pre WW1) have done them for decades in all grades. Don't knock the Russians from what products you plebs imagine as the "norm".

There is some spectacular stuff around in eastern Europe (incl Rus).

none of us "plebs" were knocking the ruskies, they can actually make very fine guns when they want to

peter

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: peter]
#115443 - 25/09/08 04:58 AM

Peter, I agree.

Actually, my opinion is that the 7.62x54R/7.62x53R would be a fine cartridge for doubles. Maybe a wee bit too much case taper, but ballistics are superb and it would make a great and practical round. Ditto for the necked-up 9.3x53R which is a ballistic twin to the 9.3x57 Mauser.

I shot the 7.62 round extensively when I had a collection of Mosin-Nagant rifles but have only shot one head of game with it, a black bear on which it was a "light switch"; turned the bear "Off".

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: 9.3x57]
#115452 - 25/09/08 05:31 AM

i just think it would be hard to convince any gunmaker that they should make a double rifle in 7.62x54R when they can make the same gun in 303 and sell the gun at twice the price.

peter

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Re: Why not a double rifle in 7.62x54R? [Re: ReverendRecoil]
#115636 - 27/09/08 07:26 AM

The Russians did make double rifles in 9x54 R Medved and possibly still do. It would not be difficult for them to barrel these actions for 7.62x54R as the Medved is based on the same case anyway. For all I know, they may have made 7.62x54R double rifles already . . .

And, when the Russians do decide to build high grade guns, they can make some of the best. Perhaps, their style of embellishment may not appeal to most of us as they do like to overdo their guns somewhat, but check this website out. The KBP Bureau makes some fantastic rifles and shotguns and some of the arsenals make them for senior military officers too. I have seen SxS shotguns with hinged front triggers and all the bells and whistles that were superbly made.

And, Christian Ducros, one of France's top custom gunmakers (the French call him "Le Magicien des Armes") makes a lot of guns on Baikal actions that he refines in his shop.

Good hunting, gentlemen!

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