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brianj
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Remington Double pair
      #112906 - 29/08/08 01:11 PM

Been lurking for a while and wanted to make my first post. I've always loved double rifles but they are out of my price range other than what Remington offers. Needless to say I jumped at the oppertunity to get one when they came out. I've had the 30-06 for a few months now and have done a little hunting with it. Today I picked up the 45-70 brother.
Some pics...

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: brianj]
      #112917 - 29/08/08 03:05 PM

brainj

If you would, give us some info on how the 30-06 shoots and what loads you have tried in it.

Also same for the 45/70 when you get a chance to shoot it.

Double rifles are great hunting guns.

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: brianj]
      #112939 - 29/08/08 07:15 PM

Regardless of what some others seem to think on this & other forums, maybe more on other , I like those & would love to have them, Brian,thats a nice animal in the last pic, I take it its just a goat but nice full curl head, very handsome, I'd be happy with that too, with your 30-06 was it?
Steve

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: brianj]
      #112942 - 29/08/08 08:54 PM

The 45-70 is interesting--how much does it weigh??

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: hoppdoc]
      #112943 - 29/08/08 09:34 PM

brian

welcome to NE, i like your collection allready, it is very nice to see somebody that actually has some of these rifles so please tell us about them. looks good from here.

best regards

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: peter]
      #112947 - 29/08/08 09:58 PM

Brian,

Welcome to the forums. It looks like your doubles are in good hands.

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: NE450No2]
      #113017 - 31/08/08 12:49 AM

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brainj

If you would, give us some info on how the 30-06 shoots and what loads you have tried in it.

Also same for the 45/70 when you get a chance to shoot it.

Double rifles are great hunting guns.



So far I have only tried the cheap Federal blue box 150gr in the 06. The gun was shooting a foot low at 50 out of the box but the two barrels hit just under 1" apart so I didn't have to do any regulation, just a simple front sight adjustment. Hopefully I get that lucky with the 45-70.
For the 45/70 I'm going to start with some Leverevolution and some hand loads in 300gr than are similar to factory Remington. I've got some 405gr sitting around but I load them hotter for the Marlin GG and don't want to chance the confusion and putting a hotter load in this one.

The bathroom scale says it weighs 6 lbs, which feels about right. The only external differnece between the 45-70 and 30-06 is the rear sight. The 30 has a low rear sight (I guess the expect more people to scope it), the 45 is high enough that it shoulders just right.

It amy not compare to the $10k rifles, and I wouldn't expect it to, but it really is a beautiful gun thats comfortable to carry in the woods and shoots good.

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: brianj]
      #113018 - 31/08/08 01:15 AM

Very cool! thanks for posting. Bob

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: brianj]
      #113029 - 31/08/08 03:59 AM

Brian,

Those are damned fine looking guns and they shoot beautifully. Call me cheap (partly because I am semi retired and cannot afford anything very expensive ) but even if I had a lot of money, I would much rather buy guns like these that I would be happy shooting and hunting with instead of something very expensive that I would be scared to take out in the field for fear of marking it.

A very good friend in the UK who occasionally posts here had an exquisite Bar in Wood MacNaughton gun that he sold because he nearly got a heart attack whenever he went hunting with it.

You are a wise man and your guns are fantastic. I hope we get to see many more fine hunting pictures here in the future. You have to show your trophies off here - you have fine rifles to hunt them with.

Good hunting and one more warm welcome to these forums!

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #113037 - 31/08/08 05:59 AM

I am curious about the 45-70. I wonder about the gun and if its regulated for 400's at 40,000 cup(1895 Marlin pressures)or are we talking trapdoor pressures. Does Remington say??

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: hoppdoc]
      #113039 - 31/08/08 06:33 AM

Nice job Brian, and welcome!

Keep posting and please share your opinions of the guns, and groups fired, too. There's been a lot of talk on this forum about the guns but not alot of extensive reporting of shooting results by those who own them.

Dive in and thanks for posting!!

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: 9.3x57]
      #113040 - 31/08/08 06:36 AM



hopddoc

I think it is 28,000 psi.

I posted it a while ago in a previous thread
where the info came from AR.

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: 500Nitro]
      #113047 - 31/08/08 07:50 AM

Whups--
At those pressures it now has little interest for me--
Thanks much for the info--

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: brianj]
      #113049 - 31/08/08 07:59 AM

Good for you!! Shoot them and enjoy them...after all, enjoyment is what it is about.

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: Charles]
      #113053 - 31/08/08 08:24 AM

Guys

Also see the thread on

Re: Denigrating the Remington / Baikal SxS


where 400NitroExpress has also posted the correct information
and has corrected some Mis information.


http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post113048

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: 500Nitro]
      #113054 - 31/08/08 09:16 AM

the numbers came off the barrels on the rifle it was posted on gunbroker it was from a side view of a picture of the 45 70 that was for sale by a seller and yes it was a remington baikal sxs 45 70 brianj are thier numbers on the side of your 45 70 .i looked up those figures on the net that what i got when computed. please oh great one what is the correct formula for converting those figures nobody answered the first time i asked.

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: bwananelson]
      #113055 - 31/08/08 09:22 AM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=108223365

here are the pictures see for yourself,then who has the formula to convert those numbers aparetnly my internet is wrong but i am willing to learn from my learned member my math has always been bad anyway.so can some one clarify please

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: bwananelson]
      #113056 - 31/08/08 09:22 AM

bwananelson

Are you referring to me or 400Nitro ?

I generally don't post pressure or reloading data unless out of good books (ie Graeme Wrights), hence my reference to where I got it from in my original post so people could go looking.

If referring to 400Nitro, I'll let him post the correct forumla.

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: bwananelson]
      #113057 - 31/08/08 09:27 AM

what i get is 1 BAR=15 PSI so 2200BAR=33000 psi but how does that relate to a load.so what is the max load.........

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: bwananelson]
      #113058 - 31/08/08 09:30 AM

Quote:

the numbers came off the barrels on the rifle it was posted on gunbroker it was from a side view of a picture of the 45 70 that was for sale by a seller and yes it was a remington baikal sxs 45 70 brianj are thier numbers on the side of your 45 70 .i looked up those figures on the net that what i got when computed. please oh great one what is the correct formula for converting those figures nobody answered the first time i asked.



Yes, your question was answered. You just chose to ignore it. Remington has answered same on their website, specific to this rifle.

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #113061 - 31/08/08 09:56 AM

400 would you post the link with the info please i never saw anything about the 45 70 except on the baikal site and that was no help

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: bwananelson]
      #113064 - 31/08/08 10:18 AM

Yes there are the same number on the side of the barrel that have been posted on gunbroker. I read that it equates to trap door loads. That's fine by me, trapdoor loads have had no problem passing through american bison and other such animals. It may not be intended for the big three in Africa but would do plenty on damage on a large bear or any other big game animal. I will mostly hunt feral hogs with mine, if I ever make it to Africa for something in those top three I have a Rem 798 in 458 win mag that will do just fine.
I hope to have more pictures soon of sucessful hunts with my double rifles.

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: brianj]
      #113066 - 31/08/08 10:57 AM

thats all i needed to know i get mine on monday and i want to know what i can shoot remington 405's green box or hornaday leverlution.really i dont care about making it a bigger bore i just want to know if it will shoot hornaday since it shoots so well in another 45 70 i have.when i do hit africa i have 3 other doubles to choose from but they are all to big for florida the 45 70 however is a great choice for hogs or deer in thck cover or dog hunting deer.thanks brianj what make do you plan on using

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: bwananelson]
      #113067 - 31/08/08 11:06 AM

i will be the first to tell you i dont know about double rounds all my info is from here or the few books that carry it.or the info from the net and this forum.so i ask is hornadays ammo to hot for this double.400 i just am a novice all i saw was the numbers and i still dont know what they mean i know saami is used here and cip is international but that is all i can tell you about the two.

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Re: Remington Double pair [Re: hoppdoc]
      #113068 - 31/08/08 11:17 AM

Quote:

Whups--
At those pressures it now has little interest for me--
Thanks much for the info--



A question:

Is anyone aware of any current .45-70 that is warranted by the MAKER for anything over 28,000?

It is a lot easier for a maker to state the gun good for factory Trapdoor levels than to go further since most factory loads are loaded to this level. This makes total sense from a product liability standpoint since the maker cannot possibly know what pressures somebody's handload is going to generate.

How do any of us truly know what pressures many of our .45-70 handloads DO generate without having them tested on pressure equipment?

Remington isn't that stupid to state the gun good for some service pressure at which no factory loads are available.

As I stated in an earlier post, I would not buy a .45-70 Baikal second hand, just like I have always steered clear of S&W 29-2's and earlier .44 Mags unless I can fully inspect them before buying. Too much experimentation with unknown heavy loads.

Having said that, I can imagine some might be eager to experiment with stouter-than-Trapdoor loads in the Baikal. I just might myself if I owned one of the guns as I like to monkey with the .45-70.

And thus the reason I wouldn't buy one 2nd Hand.

And before somebody pitches a rock at Brianj for saying so, I agree 100% with his assessment of the "softball", Trapdoor-level, factory loads and N. American game. A 300 at 1800 and a 405 at 1200 will kill a lot of stuff, and has.

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