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lovetherecoil
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Opinions on .458 Lott
      #11198 - 08/03/04 11:37 PM

I would like opinions on the .458 Lott. I like the idea that you can fire the .458 Winchester out of a rifle chambered for the Lott.

Could some of you please tell me the pros and cons of this cartridge?

Signed, "Lack of Experience in Maine"


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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11202 - 09/03/04 01:58 AM

For one thing, the cartridge is cheap to reload and component bullets are easy to come by. You can even use unsized cast revolver bullets if you can get somebody to get you some that close to your bore size. I wouldn't use 458 WinMag's in it unless it was an emergency. The shorter case will fire-etch the area ahead of it and make the Lott brass flow into the fire-etched area, therefore stuck brass. Accuracy is as good as what you can hold without flinching. The Lott in my Ruger was a bit light and I added weight to it.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11203 - 09/03/04 01:59 AM

Some say you shouldnt fire 458 winmags very much as it can cause you problems. But in a pinch they will work.
good points to me
1.Bullets can be had reasonable
2.Many different bullets choices
3.Brass is reasonable "hornady"
4.Hornady factory loads can be had reasonable.
5.Several reasonable 458lott starter rifles on market.
6.Reloading dies are reasonable."hornady"

Bad points to some
1.Its a cannon and some cant shoot them well.
2.Its not a Rigby or Jeffery
3.Its becoming "common"

I have a 458 winmag I was going to take out to lott but I took a buffalo and elephant with it the way it is so ill leave her.
I had a ruger #1 in 458lott shot great but I sold it to build a 470capstick to be a little different
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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: deant]
      #11204 - 09/03/04 02:35 AM

Thanks fellas,
I wasn't aware of the possible problems of shooting the Winchester in the Lott chamber. I do like the bullet choices though. I keep switching my mind on the cartridge for the rifle I'm building, but this Lott is looking good.



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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11213 - 09/03/04 04:12 AM

the 458 Lott is probably the best our there, if one can handle the recoil, most cannot, many think they can...

That said, if you can shoot it without recoil being a factor in your mind when you pull the trigger, and you can do this from squatting, prone, bent over and in about any field position, then your sitting in the pound seats, it is one heck of a hammer, I can't imagine a better more practical round,...

But for me, and I have been shooting big bores all my life, I find it a little abusive and I have to concentrate on not flinching, so although I can shoot it at the range and even off the bench, I do not hunt with it, its just a bit much for me, as was my 505 Gibbs. I settled for the 404, 416 Rem in bolt guns..My heavey .470 is tolerable, at least to the extent that I can hunt with it...As to the Lott and I, its close but no cigar...


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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: atkinson6]
      #11220 - 09/03/04 05:52 AM

ray,

...would you say the 458lott is just as good/better than the 470ne?...on a related question, is this just essentially a turnbolt vs. double rifle matter?...

...also, does a 458lott really make sense for non-ph hunters who are not hunting elephant?...

...thanks for your thoughts...


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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11228 - 09/03/04 08:24 AM

Hi Guys:

The 458 Lott rocks my world when I shoot it with Hornady Factory loads 500 grn @ 2350 FPS. I shoot it in a custom 12 lb rifle with two mercury recoil tubes in the stock, with a muzzle break, and it still rocks..

I have taken one Buff with a 416 Rem Mag, and I got up close and personal, that is why I bought the 458 Lott. I plan on hunting them again and probably Lion.

I also shoot a 300 RUM, 375 H&H, 458 Win Mag.. but I have reached my recoil level with the Lott, especially from a to low bench... ouch.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: PAHunter]
      #11230 - 09/03/04 09:38 AM

Low Bench? You must be at one of those ranges with the mickey mouse low portal that you have to shoot through. You got to get upright in order to shoot the beast without getting a concussion. Every time I go to the range and test some new loads, I snag every sandbag that's not is use and build up my shooting position so that I can shoot upright. A whole lott less pain.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11236 - 09/03/04 10:06 AM

The Lott will hammer the hell out of you there is no question about it and off the bench its pretty bad, good thing is since I don't carry a bench with me hunting I do very little shooting from there. Now keep in mind I have yet to fire this rifle in anger at a moving bite back.

Freehand its a beast but doable now for qualification I am a pretty big guy and much younger then most here, my rifle has two recoil reducers a decel pad and a AHR X break one of the best looking and most effective breaks I have shot with. I can fire in about any conceivable position and the first 7-10 rounds are not bad considering, after that the blood running out of your nose tends to affect your shooting. I suggest you try one before buying one as Ray said its not for everyone and on the edge of what I can shoot effectively, I have no macho reason for trying to shoot to much rifle and I suggest you shoot what works for you they all kill well with proper placement and bullets.

I have tried a .577nitro and its just not for me the one I fired was light and that my friend is to much rifle for this guy, that said I hit what I was shooting at just I had to open my eyes to make sure I hit it.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: NONE]
      #11241 - 09/03/04 12:07 PM

Is there much difference between the recoil of the .458 Lott and the .458 Winchester?

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11249 - 09/03/04 03:05 PM

There sure is. The WinMag is about 1/4 to 1/3 the recoil of the Lott depending on who you talk to. I can shoot the WinMag all day long and still walk and chew bubblegum. I can stand the Lott only about 10 rounds on the bench while testing full loads for accuracy. The rest is just blasted off-hand.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: 475Guy]
      #11264 - 09/03/04 11:27 PM

I guess I don't understand completely. How can there be 3-4 times more recoil out of the Lott, when all dimensions of the cases are essentially the same, except that the Lott is 3/10 of an inch longer?

That extra recoil is from shooting the same weight bullets?


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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11268 - 10/03/04 01:01 AM

Now I would have said my 458lott recoiled about 25% more than my 458winmag. Some of that I think was because the lott was a ruger#1 and had a crappy recoil pad.
When i first got my win mag she had a montey carlo stock and a crappy pad. after restocking and installing a decent pad the recoil dropped off.
With a winterhat folded up and put in my shoulder I could take 15 shots with the lott off a bench with no ill effects. The worst time i had was in Zim last year i shot about 10 from my lott ,6 or so from a 450 ackley about 10 from a 12gauge shotgun and a few from a 375hh. My head didnt hurt but it was hard to raise my arm up very far.
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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11269 - 10/03/04 02:45 AM

It's physics. The WinMag with a 500 gr will go about 2050 +/-. That same bullet is going out at 2300 +/- in the Lott. Often the Lott's have been lighter than they needed to be therefore increasing the felt recoil by a very subjective amount. I was a bit tongue-in-cheek in the above post. But the fact remains, the Lott will definitely recoil much more and comes back at you a bit faster than the WinMag. Just go to the simple 38 Spec. and 357 Mag. Let's say we shoot both cartridges in a 2" barrel. The 38 with a 125 gr will maybe go 900 +/-. That same bullet in a 357 will go 1200+/-. The difference in recoil in the two rounds is the difference between fun and pain.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11272 - 10/03/04 03:14 AM

OOPS! I just thought of a better example as I was running out the door. Shoot any run of the mill 4570 load going 1250 in a Marlin and then shoot one of the Buffalo Bores with it going out 1850 and the difference is apparent.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: 475Guy]
      #11276 - 10/03/04 05:33 AM

OK, that makes sense, as I've shot a lot of 38's and .357mag.

It is amazing what that extra 3/10th's of an inch can do for a guy.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11278 - 10/03/04 06:13 AM

Before I run out of the house again, might I ask you a question. Just how much experience do you have in shooting big stuff? This definitely has a bearing on whether you should try to take on a 458 Lott. I've been shooting since the 60's and it has a lot on how I approach the big guys everytime I light one off. On the whole, the 416 whether Rem or Rigby is at the most that non-bigbore shooters' thresh-hold of handling recoil. I just don't want you to end up with something you couldn't handle and be gunshy the rest of your life.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: 475Guy]
      #11293 - 10/03/04 11:13 AM

lovetherecoil,

I'll second what 475Guy and the rest have said. I wouldn't recommend the Lott shooting full house ammo for a big bore newbie. The Lott demands respect and propper handling. Off the bench it is tolerable (somewhat) from a high seated position but don't go low. I know better but made that mistake last Sunday and the recoil goes staight down your spine

That said it is a fun round and you KNOW you are putting some serious lead downrange. Handload and go from 45-70 levels on up to your recoil tolerance!

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: JKS]
      #11295 - 10/03/04 11:32 AM

JKS, how many stars did you see after shooting it in the low position? Maybe the Milky-way? I've often let guys shoot my toys anytime somebody asks. Half the time, they don't listen when they try to light one off as they shoot it in a low varmint-bench-position. That's where all the complaints about it recoiling 3-4 times my WinMag comes from. I've heard of some seeing stars hours after shooting big guys and found out later that is was incipient retinal separation. As you say, it takes preparation and will power to take the thumping.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: 475Guy]
      #11303 - 10/03/04 12:06 PM

475Guy,

You said it perfectly. It takes will power, determination and the DESIRE to shoot the bigger guys well. I got into the bigger bores for something different and the challenge of shooting them well. Sure I use them for NA hunting but partly as an excuse to own them! I'll admit it appeals to the macho side of me, but lets face it, shooting a boomer is a visceral thrill, and shooting one well is very satisfying. My "non big bore" friends think I'm nuts but that's okay

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: 475Guy]
      #11349 - 10/03/04 11:23 PM

Morning 475guy,
I don't have experience with the big bore rifles. I need some though. All I can go by is that whenever some of us get together to shoot, I'm about the only one who doesn't complain about recoil.
I'm not trying to sound tough, but it just doesn't seem to effect me like some. Much bigger friends don't understand it.

Having said that, I'm sure a 458 Lott would definitely "effect" me!
Although if I make the rifle into the Lott, I would handload some "softies" to start with.

The 416 Rigby is always in the back of my mind for the other choice.


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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11363 - 11/03/04 04:31 AM

ThomasEdwards,
The 458 Lott is a more powerfull rifle than the .470, end of story, but I cannot see that if kills any better..All the big bores kill about the same IMO...I seem to handle the double rifle and 470 better than the bolt 458, at least in the recoil dept....

That said, I have never found the 416s or 404 lacking in killing power, or for that matter the 375 H&H, and based on that I see little reason to take a lick'en...........

When most of these guys get in close on a buff and their adrenaline gets pumped and they kill old dagga boy with a couple of shots with their 416, but he didn't drop to the shot, they automatically come back the following year ala PAHunter posts with a bigger hammer, and like PA they will find that on an average, they get the same reaction from the Lott, 505 or whatever that they got with the 416, it takes a couple of shots and he runs a bit...

Only on the internet and in a few periodicals dose Mr. Daggas feet come out from under him and he hits the dirt like a sack of potatoes. When he does however, be it a 9.3, 375 or 600 Nitro, then that one instance carves that hunters mind into sudden expertise and he will expound greatly on whatever caliber did the deed..It will forever be his "old Betsy", the killing machine...In reality he probably hit the spine...

Same thing happens in the elk camps of Idaho, the 338s, for example, are as good a killers as the 375 as a matter of fact, but not on paper...

I place more emphasis on bullet construction and proper bullet placement than on caliber...and I would prefer a .470 over a 458 Lott because I can have the .470 in a double rifle...

The Lott is certainly a great caliber as is the 500 Jefferys and 505 Gibbs..but they don't perform miracles, good shooting does that..

Have you ever noticed that many who shoot the 458 Lott and up lose their grip on the rifle in recoil, yes it happens often and thats not condusive to the second shot....


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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: atkinson6]
      #11370 - 11/03/04 05:53 AM

ray,

...many thanks for responding...

...nothing like injecting a dose of reality into the marketing-hype bubble through real-life (vs. virtual) experience...

...every thing that you have said is but a modern-day rendition of what pondoro taylor and others have been saying for almost 100+ years...terminal performance, ability to place shots well, bullet construction, quick first shots with prompt followup shots...

...i think i will stick with my .416 rigby turnbolt and 9.3 double for dg, and an assortment of medium/small bores for the rest...


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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: atkinson6]
      #11379 - 11/03/04 09:27 AM

Hey Ray:

If I get in close and personal with a Buff again, and I can shoot a bigger stick ala 458 Lott compared to a 416 Rem Mag, and it makes me feel better so be it.

It may NOT kill any better, but it sure does make me feel better knowing that I am shooting the biggest bore I can handle accurately.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: lovetherecoil]
      #11400 - 11/03/04 03:38 PM

ltr, you have got the right attitude. You have to want to be pounded in order to toughen your nerve endings so that you don't develop a nervous flinch. Also, too much of a good thing is bad. Limit yourself to a few rounds and increase the number of shots the next time out. It's like Martial Arts, you have to learn to take the pounding before you can appreciate the technique enough to execute it. If you were in Kalifornia, I'd let you play with a couple of toys.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: 475Guy]
      #11458 - 13/03/04 07:52 AM

PA,
No arguement from me there, if you can handle the recoil from any field position without having to concentrate on not flinching, then the 700 N.E. is a top choice...

But, as I recall you killed your buff with a .416 (correct me if I'm wrong) and it sure did work, just like they have for years.....

I know that I have shot many Buff within spitten distance with a 404, 416 and a 450-400 and they always satisfied me with the results, so did the 458 Lott and 505 but I couldn't see enough difference to justify them in my mind..and I did not like the recoil of either...I supose that makes it an individual perspective on the subject, but hey we knew that before this thread started!


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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: atkinson6]
      #11624 - 16/03/04 08:04 AM

I'm also toying with the idea of getting into a big bore rifle, at least for now just for the joy of having such a fine piece of equipment.

If I've followed all of this correctly - A full house .458 Lott will knock my socks off and would be too much gun to start off with as a big bore. However, I could load it down to more managable levels to start. In time I can work the charges up until I'm at full power. Meanwhile, I've only purchased one gun (I'd rather have ten, but there are certain economic realities I must face), and have a cartridge with a plenty of options for reloading. Did I get it about right? If so, I may be a bit closer to picking a cartridge . . .

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: BCrosier]
      #11653 - 16/03/04 01:53 PM

Tell you what, C, I think you should start with the 375 H&H as your first bigger than 30 bore. It's really easy on the shoulder and after a while, I suggest that you then get into a bigger gun. What I think doesn't kick, seems to contradict others who think it will. Start with small steps before you go the full mile. It's just my .02 worth and it don't cost you nothing.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: 475Guy]
      #11730 - 17/03/04 02:59 PM

Ray's post is as close to the gospel of hunting as I've ever seen. IMHO the real trick is to use the biggest caliber you can shoot really accurately and quickly. The test is simple you can use any caliber which you can fire three shots rapid fire and stay on a pie plate at 100 yrds( from a standing/field position). I can do that with a 500 a2. I can't do it with a 585 Nyati or my beloved .600 OK. Never shoot a gun your afraid of. I saw a guy in Tanzania shoot a buff 10 times with a .600 NE. I've only had one one shot kill on Buff and that was with a .416 Rigby ( as Ray said it ran off and died). In fact most of my Buff experience has been with a .416 Rigby and a .470NE. In my view the .416 Rigby worked as well or better. Most people can't even hit a pie plate at 100 yrds offhand with a Lott reliably.-Rob

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: Robgunbuilder]
      #110637 - 29/07/08 06:26 AM

Hello I really have removed the desire to buy a 458 Lott, I think a large caliber, but by what I read here backspace almost unbearable. I wanted a rifle from which to enjoy, rather than to suffer and feel that this caliber is a hell to shoot him. Now if I'm confused.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: ovny]
      #110661 - 29/07/08 12:51 PM

Quote:

Hello I really have removed the desire to buy a 458 Lott, I think a large caliber, but by what I read here backspace almost unbearable. I wanted a rifle from which to enjoy, rather than to suffer and feel that this caliber is a hell to shoot him. Now if I'm confused.

Regards,

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I have broken my right collarbone twice and torn my rotator cuff a few times, and still enjoy shooting my .458 lott. I have done some upper body strength training that has helped greatly in handling recoil. I shoot a .375 ruger with .300 grain bullets and it has a hefty recoil too. I think all the big bores are going to have a healthy dose of recoil. Some worse than others of course. I shoot .45-70 and .450 marlin for deer and hogs and they kick too. I practice with .22 caliber and some .30 calibers alot. Practice and technique make a huge difference. None of this is original, I learned it from people on these forums. I thought the lott was too much for me too. Practice and letting the rifle recoil instead of fighting the recoil, along with some conditioning of the upper body muscles have made hunting in Africa with a true big bore an attainable goal. I leave in a month to hunt buffalo in the Zambezi Valley. I will be shooting the .458 lott. Remember, only shoot your big bore a few times at any given session. Take the smaller caliber stuff and practice alot, offhand, from shooting sticks, etc. For me about 6-10 shots is enough with 500 grain bullets and hunting loads. Much more and the dreaded flinch makes an appearance. Maybe you can find someone with a .458 you can shoot before you decide. There's no getting around shooting big guns for large or dangerous game. Good luck!

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: bigmaxx]
      #110671 - 29/07/08 03:00 PM


Hello:

Actually go to the gym floor, practicing with weights, not for firing a bigbore, but by taste and keep the belly at bay. I think my shoulders are pretty well to withstand the thrust of 458 Lott, although I have not yet tested my 375 H & H Magnum, then I will tell you what I found his setback. I hope it is a strong reversal (of the 458 Lott), but that is not worse than a punch from Mike Tyson jejejeje. Thank you for your reply.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: ovny]
      #110672 - 29/07/08 03:03 PM

Hello:

Friend, that is a point in favor of Lott 458, which can shoot with a 458 Winchester Magnum, although I doubt if this will not be detrimental to the rifle in the long run. There are people that I had recommended buying the 404 Jeffery, but I think we're very far in benefits cartridge Jack Lott.


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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: ovny]
      #110850 - 01/08/08 09:25 AM

So what do you guys feel is the "right" weight for a 458 Lott without scope, mounts or sling?

Chuck

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110889 - 02/08/08 12:17 AM

Hi Chuck.

I have not understood your question.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110893 - 02/08/08 02:45 AM

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So what do you guys feel is the "right" weight for a 458 Lott without scope, mounts or sling?




The last scope and rings I weighed were 14 oz. Although I prefer the 458 Win Mag over the Lott, either one should weigh 8 lb 2 oz, to come to an even 9 lb with scope. Some people like a heavier rifle, but for me this is just right.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: PAHunter]
      #110907 - 02/08/08 08:14 AM

The .458 lot is basically .450 NE for bolt action rifles. Hence you can shot those Varget NFB and R15 loads with foam wads for a more genteel experience.

I'd start adding R15 one grain at a time until I hit 2150 fps with a 480 grain woodleihg and call it quits.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: bonanza]
      #110908 - 02/08/08 08:21 AM

Hi ovny, I was asking how heavy a rifle should be chambered for the 458 Lott cartridge. I'm thinking about 9.5 lbs without scope, 10.5 lbs with scope, rings and sling. I'm trying to balance the carry weight without creating a rifle who's recoil makes me reluctant to shoot it a bunch which I feel is important if I'm going to use it on dangerous game.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110909 - 02/08/08 09:12 AM

I have a Ruger M77 Magnum which weighs in at 9 3/4 pounds. My "pet load" is 77.3 grains of H335 pushing a 500 grain Swift A-Frame for a velocity of 2150 according to the Hornady Manual. I use Hornady Dangerous Game solids with the same charge, and the point of impact is the same. I find the recoil to be manageable, but stout! For a big bore rifle I think it is what one would expect. It is noticeably more comfortable to shoot than with Hornady Factory loads. I do shoot those too. I have a Leupold VXIII 1.5-5X20 in Warne QD rings on the rifle most of the time. I dont know the weight of the scope and rings, but they can be looked up on their websites I'm sure. I have had a CZ550 American Safari in the lott, and a Savage 116 Safari Magnum in .458 winchester magnum and must say the Lott is a bit more recoil. But its nice to have a rifle capable of firing the lott if the extra power is called for.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110911 - 02/08/08 09:15 AM

Hi Chuck:

More or less I understand you friend, that the border language and all its nuances, I played bad past and above the google translator is very bad.
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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: ovny]
      #110923 - 02/08/08 10:57 AM

Thanks ovny and bigmaxx. I'm reboring my 375 H&H to 470 Capstick and shortening the barrel to 22" which should be about the same recoil as the Lott. The 470 Capstick shoots a 500g bullet at 2400 fps out of a 26" barrel so should be about 2300 fps full bore out of my 22" barrel. I have the same scope as you do bigmaxx with Talley QR rings. My 470 Capstick should weigh in at 9.5 lbs without scope/rings and 10.5 lbs with. I can always add weight if recoil is a bit too much. I'm still a few years away from my first African DG safari, but the rifle should be something on elk, and mule deer here in Colorado until then...



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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110929 - 02/08/08 01:39 PM

Quote:

Thanks ovny and bigmaxx. I'm reboring my 375 H&H to 470 Capstick and shortening the barrel to 22" which should be about the same recoil as the Lott. The 470 Capstick shoots a 500g bullet at 2400 fps out of a 26" barrel so should be about 2300 fps full bore out of my 22" barrel. I have the same scope as you do bigmaxx with Talley QR rings. My 470 Capstick should weigh in at 9.5 lbs without scope/rings and 10.5 lbs with. I can always add weight if recoil is a bit too much. I'm still a few years away from my first African DG safari, but the rifle should be something on elk, and mule deer here in Colorado until then...



Thanks much,

Chuck




Sounds like a real cool transformation. I really like the 500 grain A-Frame at 2150 from the lott. Super accurate too. They shoot real close to point of impact of the factory loads. I can shoot the pet A-Frame load out of the barrel and back my shot with factory solids in the magazine if I want too. I am taking the Lott with these loads to Zimbabwe the 29th of this month to use on buffalo. My first trip to Africa! I let you know how the combo performs. Doing my final loading for the lott this weekend.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: bigmaxx]
      #110930 - 02/08/08 01:42 PM

Have a great safari! Please let us know all about it. I'll be there in a few years ...


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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110942 - 02/08/08 04:52 PM

I tell you the same as Chuck, you enjoy much of your trip to Africa, then you tell us your experience and get many photos to share with us.

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