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fuhrmann
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Austrian single shot rifle
      #110287 - 23/07/08 10:58 PM

This little rifle is quite unique, I think.
You may enjoy this, and maybe one of you knows more about it.

Action is a Martini-type tilting block, and yes, it's a take-down.
Signed on barrel and action: "St. Jllichmann in Wien". I have not found any reference of this gunmaker.
Vienna BP proof ca. 1896 and later Nitro reproof.
Caliber is 9.3x57R/360, the continental brother of the .360 Express 2 1/4.
Has nice little features like flip-up peep sight, cartridge trap in the buttplate, stag horn forend cap.
The rifle has seen quite some use, the wood has dents and scratches, metal has some stains and rust scars, but technically everything is fine.
The bore is very good, and the rifle shoots as good as I can aim with open sights.
This one is waiting for a roe deer.

Fuhrmann

















Edited by CptCurl (29/12/08 03:53 AM)

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: fuhrmann]
      #110335 - 24/07/08 01:03 PM

What a great looking rifle, quality everywhere. Man I love the full lenght oct bbl. Have you ever had it completely out of the forend wood? I bet the bblchannel fit is unreal. The target speaks well for the bore as well as the shooter.

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: dale]
      #110340 - 24/07/08 01:23 PM

Cool gun. I love the crown stag nosepiece.

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: bigmaxx]
      #110353 - 24/07/08 08:52 PM

That's an unusual and beautiful rifle. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: bigmaxx]
      #110361 - 24/07/08 10:21 PM

Quote:

Cool gun. I love the crown stag nosepiece.



Me too.

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: dale]
      #110397 - 25/07/08 04:37 PM

Dale,

I never took the forend off. But you see some of the barrel channel when taking off the barrel, the inletting appears perfect.

Fuhrmann

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: fuhrmann]
      #110772 - 31/07/08 01:25 PM

Anyone who thinks they've seen everything, just needs to hang around NE.com for a while!

What a ripper!

Thanks fuhrmann, enjoyed it a lot!

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: Marrakai]
      #110788 - 31/07/08 02:45 PM

Great looking rifle!

I'd love to hunt with it.
How long have you had it?
I wonder what's hiding under that forend wood...



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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: fuhrmann]
      #110857 - 01/08/08 12:09 PM

Fuhrmann,

Very nice rifle!

We will be waiting for a great roe deer picture when you take one with her.

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #140469 - 12/08/09 11:53 AM

Impressive and usual rifle

Thank you for sharing.

Dave

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: AZDAVE]
      #155709 - 07/03/10 08:52 PM

Curious rifle si señor. I liked it.

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: fuhrmann]
      #163096 - 30/06/10 10:31 PM

I'd be interested to receive full reloading information on your target loads. Presumably you are using R901, what projectiles were used.
I have a 360 2 1/4 inch BPE from which I have never been able to achieve acceptable accuracy
Thnks
John

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: toorale]
      #163097 - 30/06/10 10:46 PM

Nice!

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: Ben]
      #163160 - 01/07/10 12:52 PM

Nice single shot, really like the take down.
toorale
I also have a 360x2 1/4 BPE double that doesn't shoot well. Both barrels have a double taper,.366 in front of chamber,.3595 between 18-20" and .366 at muzzle. If anyone knows why I would like to know.

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: Sparky]
      #177242 - 17/03/11 03:12 AM

LOVE IT! unique, beautiful piece. I bet it is so light and a pleasure to handle! Kevin.

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: heers68]
      #177249 - 17/03/11 07:36 AM

Very sleek!

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: DarylS]
      #177331 - 18/03/11 09:57 AM

Back on the internet after many weeks problems with my server and I see this!!!

A very nice rifle in every respect, octagonal barrel (always!, full length fore end with that fore end

Many thanks for posting

TH

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: TH44]
      #177726 - 26/03/11 09:40 PM

Thanks for the interest.
In case I did not answer to the earlier questions: this rifle is a true 9.3 mm, I can use bullets for the 9.3x72R. I have tried 193 grain jacketed bullets from RWS and DWM (both "historic") and new S&B, and the 193 copper-plated lead bullet from Haendler&Natermann, all shot well. Best powders for me are R901 and SR4759. But these bullets should not fit for any British .360.

Regards,
Fuhrmann

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: fuhrmann]
      #220963 - 05/12/12 05:49 PM

Fantastic rifle!

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: Matabele]
      #220964 - 05/12/12 07:06 PM

What a beauty!!

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: AFRO408]
      #221016 - 06/12/12 10:27 AM

I want a crown stag nose piece on my kipplauf...

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: bakposten]
      #221033 - 06/12/12 02:35 PM

Very nice

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: Caprivi]
      #221255 - 10/12/12 03:26 AM

Interesting rifle with nice lines. I’ll add that I'm one of the bunch that think the antler burr nose pieces on the full stock single shot rifles are a nice touch. They remind me of the goatees that many of us are sporting these days.

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: Buchsemann]
      #221258 - 10/12/12 03:52 AM

There has been some discourse here on the Forum about the burr nose caps. Said simply, I like them alot. Seems to me, to be, the finishing touch on a Kipplauf, Ischler, etc......whatever they are referred to.

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Re: Austrian single shot rifle [Re: Caprivi]
      #221558 - 14/12/12 04:20 AM

About horn nose caps and that Austrian "Ischl style":

"Die Bezeichnung "Ischler Stutzen" ist die Sammelbezeichnung für die legendären, einschüssigen Hahn-Pirschbüchsen, die Kaiser Franz Joseph I. benützte. Das Wort "Ischler" bezog sich auf den in Bad Ischl arbeitenden Büchsenmacher Wolfgang Leithner, das Wort "stutzen" auf eine kurzläufige "gestutzte" Büchse mit einer Lauflänge von(50) 55-60 cm. Die eleganten Jagdgewehre waren ganz geschäftet, mit einer Hirschrose an der Laufmündung bei den älteren Konstruktionen. Bis in die sechziger Jahre des 19. Jahrhunderts waren es großkalibrige Perkussionsgewehre mit Kupferzündhütchen zum Abfeuern von Bleigeschoßen und später, in der Konstruktion des Lancaster-Gewehres, mit Zentralzündung und Kaliber 8 mm für Halbstahlmantel-Geschoße."

Source: http://wwwg.uni-klu.ac.at/kultdoku/kataloge/03/html/333.htm

Translation: "Ischler Stutzen" is the collective term for the legendary single shot hammer stalking rifles that were used by emperor Franz Joseph I. The word "Ischler" related to the gunmaker Wolfgang Leithner working in Bad Ischl, the word "stutzen" to a short barrelled rifle with a barrel of (50) 55-60 cm. The elegant hunting rifles had a full stock, with a stag rosette at the muzzle in the older types. Until the 60s of the 19th century these were large caliber percussion rifles for copper primers, for shooting lead bullets and later, in the construction of Lancaster rifles, with central primer and caliber 8 mm for jacketed bullets.."

Leithner was working from ca. 1850 to 1880, and indeed he had his special syle, often using an ornate trigger guard resembling those found on wheellock rifles and early flintlocks, and plenty of stag horn, not only in the nose cap, but also for ramrod thimbles or in the patchbox cover - maybe because this goes so well with the stag horn buttons on your Loden coat and Lederhosen?? Anyway, it seems he created a fashion!

Here are some links to examples of Leithner's work - sorry for the inconvenience, I do not know how to extract the pictures and post them here:

http://www.dorotheum.com/auktion-detail/...ionsbuchse.html

http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/...;db=kat63_s.txt

http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/...;db=kat52_S.txt

http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/...;db=kat65_s.txt


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