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slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges
      #109526 - 11/07/08 11:50 PM

I think its a good idea to post all about such cartridges in a thread, maybe it can be fixed here in the bore gun section. hope to see more bullets and other components from you.



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109528 - 12/07/08 12:04 AM



12 ga classic 12/70 bronze 20/76 silber

classic slug wad bronze fired silber fired



there are a lot of copy's of the brenneke around: 12 ga brenneke classic, two old sowjet made copy's, italien made "dionysos" slug

east german made "treffer", a Sellier&Bellot slug and the brenneke KO slug

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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109530 - 12/07/08 12:11 AM



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109532 - 12/07/08 12:17 AM



the original design and a pre WW 2 steel tip for dangerous game

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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109533 - 12/07/08 12:18 AM

the classic design from 1935 with "pointed tip"



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109534 - 12/07/08 12:21 AM



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109535 - 12/07/08 12:29 AM

some german slug's from the beginning of the last century



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109536 - 12/07/08 12:32 AM



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109537 - 12/07/08 12:35 AM



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109538 - 12/07/08 12:37 AM



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109539 - 12/07/08 12:39 AM

and round balls of course



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109541 - 12/07/08 12:43 AM

something about brass, most used today is brasilian magtech from 36 - 12
here with a german made 25,4mm signal flare brass case



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109542 - 12/07/08 12:47 AM

there are other brands like lathe turned RMC but also the russians made 12, 16 and 20 ga all the time with 70 mm long cases. like the old magtech with 6,45mm berdan primer.
the 12 ga cases are brass, the 20 ga is copper washed steel like sowjet military ammo



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109543 - 12/07/08 12:54 AM

an old an unusual british made 20 ga brass case with 3 row's of points around the case to hold undersized round ball.
this cases have a special anvil like the old rws catalog is showing





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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109544 - 12/07/08 12:59 AM

two british brass cases but not for ball guns: the 12 ga ejector, a paper cases with very high brass base for repeating shotguns and an old 10-12 ga case. the last meaning its a 12 ga brass case so thin made that it holds a 10 ga paper case load





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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109545 - 12/07/08 01:01 AM



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109546 - 12/07/08 01:05 AM

the american forster slug: 16 and 12 ga winchesterslug, 12 ga federal slug and 12ga slug from lyman mould for loading with shotcup's



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      #109547 - 12/07/08 01:12 AM

a sowjet made slug, his new compagnion from saga in spain, another unusual sowjet made slug, a S&B "Super S Ball" slug (lathe turned brass core moulded in plastik and the space age french Balle Fleche Sauvestre





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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109548 - 12/07/08 01:15 AM

fired slugs: 1.the super s ball, 2. and 3. the sowjet slug and the lyman mould forster slug



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109549 - 12/07/08 01:16 AM

will be continued

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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109550 - 12/07/08 01:31 AM

swedish bore rifle are something different from german and british guns.
husqvarna made the Mod 17 A cape gun and differnt rolling blocks for 28 , 24 and 20 bore cartridges. brass case length was 50mm and I can find anything that this was available from any firm. maybe a job for local gunmaker to cut german brass and also rauhfoss brass from norway.
this cartridge was a homemade only option.




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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109551 - 12/07/08 01:37 AM



its saying that the inexpensive husqvarna was a "missionary gun" because missionary's from scandinavian countrys like when going in wild country's


new made 20/50 cartridge with round ball



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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109552 - 12/07/08 01:48 AM

great stuff.......keep it coming

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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109558 - 12/07/08 03:25 AM

Lancaster-

In this image



To the left of the roundball is a pointed projectile with 16 printed on it.

Will you please feature this part of that page and translate for us?
Is that a 16 bore projectile?

I think it might be similar to what you see in this paper cased 16b pinfire round.



Note this cutaway view from an old text



Are there other 16 bore projectiles from the mid-late 1800's in your textbooks?


--Tinker

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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges [Re: lancaster]
      #109559 - 12/07/08 04:04 AM

Lancaster-

This pair of images has very much set me free around the use of modern thin brass cartridges, which for almost all purposes are nearly useless as supplied.

The WR Explora is a legend.
Not many folk understand what goes on inside the WR Explora ammunition.

Look here





Now look here
Stepped paper liner, 'glued' in place with a 'base-wad', likely some sort of rubberized (or not, whatever...) glue back near the primer. The bullet sits on the smaller diameter 'step' of the paper liner!
This image tells a very good story of the construction of the case, also it clearly shows the swaged construction of the lead bullet/constructed stamped brass nose cone pieces, that's what clearly appears to be a four-petaled base, formed as the teat that is captured by the swaged lead. The stamped nose-cone form is obvious.





I hope these two images help inspire the imagination of other bore-rifle and paradox enthusiasts!



--Tinker

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