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BFaucett
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trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) photos
      #107967 - 24/06/08 02:29 AM

I found this rifle on an auction site and got it fairly cheaply. Paid $300 for it. The seller was in Florida so I didn’t get a chance to inspect it before buying it. I did speak with him on the phone regarding condition. I figured, in a worse case scenario, at least I’ve purchased a Mauser action that can be used to build a rifle. So I just took a chance on it.

These photos are from the seller’s listing on the auction site. When I have a chance, I’ll take some more, and hopefully better, photos.






Well, the rifle arrived at my gunsmith’s (Todd) this past Saturday. He gave it a cursory inspection and then called me. The rifle is chambered for the 8x60 cartridge and is so marked. It’s probably a .318” barrel as it’s not marked 8x60S. But that doesn’t matter as Todd told me the barrel is “shot”. Lots of pitting and the rifling is almost gone.

I have not personally seen the rifle yet. The following is based just upon my phone conversation with Todd:

The stock of course is junk; some really poor woodwork by someone in the past. (I could tell the stock was not original from the seller’s photos.) Some more bad news is that the bolt serial number does not match the action and, for whatever reason, it has military bottom metal. The barrel serial number does match the action. The serial number is 104428. The action is NOT drilled and tapped for scope bases. However, there is no Mauser banner mark on the top of the action.

The good news is that it appears to be a genuine Oberndorf Mauser sporter action. (See the action markings in the first photo.) Todd says the trigger appears to be original. He also says the action locks up tight. He’s going to give it a more thorough inspection during the coming week or so. The thought now is to use the action for a custom rifle.

I’ll try to update this thread with more info as time goes by.

So, just based on this admittedly limited info at this time, what do you guys think? Is this possibly an original Oberndorf Mauser Model B sporter that got “butchered up” during the past years? Or is it maybe a "guild gun" that just happens to have an Oberndorf action?

(I do have the two Mauser books by Jon Speed but I'm far from any kind of expert on Mausers.)

Cheers!
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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: BFaucett]
      #107976 - 24/06/08 05:16 AM

Bob-

I'd say forget about orig anything with that rifle.
Go with what cool classic round you've ever wanted and run from there -- or something like that.

Maybe start with the boltface and see what other cartridges share it (lots of choices there) and choose from that list.

Want a cool 9.3/something?
How about a hot 7mm?
I like my 458WM
Wildcats appeal to you?

Really, there doesn't seem to be much there to go with on a 'full restoration' of any sort and I see a good canvas to start with on a new 'Bob's favorite field gun' project.

Keep it low budget, set it up with a round that's got the right kind of 'damn that's cool' for you, and run the hell out of it.
If that stock is salvageable have your smith put a cartridge trap in the underside or buttplate of the stock, or some other feature you've 'always wanted' in a cool old bolt rifle. Keep it cheap and keep it fun.


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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: tinker]
      #107982 - 24/06/08 08:11 AM

the gun definetly started life as a type B mauser ,if the gun has been to africa that might explain the missmatching bolt, many guns that have been confiscated by authorities in some african countrys were put aside with bolts being removed and than later sold of with whatever bolts fit the action without any regard to serial numbers the last rifle pictured in LESTER WOMACKS book had a mismatched bolt by coincidence he found it it the states in some other collectors gun, your bolt looks like a typical m98 bolt ,btw is that stock cracked it does,nt look that bad could use a bleaching and oil staining and it migght come back to life ....paul

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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) photos [Re: BFaucett]
      #107983 - 24/06/08 08:26 AM

You might want to consider a rebore, if preserving the shape of the original barrel is of any interest to you. 9X57 is one possibility or 9.3X57 if you don't mind having to go with more expensive bullets. The stock doesn't have bad lines, and a refinish job might work wonders.

A lot of stocks of rifles coming out of Africa were badly oil soaked and may have rotted to the point that they are beyond repair, but a quick trip to the furniture stripper would answer that question.

I wouldn't discard it out of hand. I restored the stock of a nice 10.75X68 Mauser that way and had the badly pitted barrel rebored to .458 with excellent results.


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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: xausa]
      #107989 - 24/06/08 09:52 AM

I see a lot of potential here! But that is me a dreamer always.

You could have the barrel re-bored & re-chambered to 9.3X62. Since you already have one of those, how about a Rigby 350 Mag (who has the reamer?).

If it was my gun I would look at ... let me see...
A 338-06 would not be a silly option unless I can find a 318WR reamer!
I might still want to get it bored to 338 rather than 330.


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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: xausa]
      #107991 - 24/06/08 09:54 AM

Oh yes, reboring is an excellent idea.
Likely cheaper than rebarreling, keeps more of the rifle's character intact (cool barrel-band sling eye), and the money saved can go to something like the cartridge trap or other such details.

Good call, Xausa!



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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: tinker]
      #108001 - 24/06/08 11:06 AM

BFAUCETT,if you are truly thinking of dumping the stock let me know i can use it ...paul

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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: pjaln]
      #108004 - 24/06/08 11:21 AM

Bob, if you go the rebore route & I for one think that is a good idea, you need to go at least a 60 mm cartidge length to clean up or reuse the existing chamber as I'm sure you've probably worked out. I like the idea of a 318/338 WR as Naki hunter has proposed, but if the pitting is really bad,a 35 Whelen or even the 9.3 x 62 suggest themselves as attractive alternatives. Of course if you didn't mind playing with a wildcat & wanted to keep it "Metric" then a 9x60 would be feasible, just a lick with a neck throat reamer after reboring & away you go. Not sure if there ever was such a caliber but it would be a easy wildcat to live with brass & projectile wise.
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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: shinz]
      #108049 - 25/06/08 12:17 AM

To all,

Thanks for the replies and feedback!

This is going to be a fun project to see if we can bring this old girl back to life. Everything is still very preliminary for me at this point. Remember, as I posted above, I haven't even seen or handled the rifle yet. Everything I know about it so far is just based on one phone call with my gunsmith.

Reboring is an idea. Todd (my gunsmith) did say during our phone call that the barrel has a very slender profile. He's not sure if there would be enough metal left if it was rebored to say .338 or .358 caliber. Still, thats just preliminary. The barrel dimensions and diameter haven't been measured yet. Of course, rebarreling is always an option.

Just for the nostalgia and romance of it, I'd like to chamber it for a cartridge that was one of the original Mauser sporter chamberings. Yet, I would like to have fairly easy availability of brass. I'm currently mulling over 7x57, 8x57JS, .30-06 and even 8x60S. Grafs, here in the US, is now carrying new Prvi 8x60S brass. I currently have rifles in .30-06 (Ruger), 8x57JS (Rem 700) and 9.3x62 (CZ 550). I also have a Husqvarna Model 46 in 9.3x57.

Making the rifle an 8x60S has appeal to me. .323" diameter bullets so no problem with bullet availability compared to the .318" diameter. And cases can be made fairly easily from .30-06 brass if need be. But, lots of time yet to decide on a cartridge.

But, as I said, we're just in the very early stages of this whole project. First, Todd has got to check out the action and bolt and make sure it's going to be usable. Then, we'll go from there.

As the weeks and months go by, I'll try to periodically post updates to this thread as to the progress on the rifle.

Cheers!
-Bob F.


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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: pjaln]
      #108050 - 25/06/08 12:21 AM

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pjaln wrote:
BFAUCETT,if you are truly thinking of dumping the stock let me know i can use it ...paul




pjaln,

I don't think we're going to use it but give me a couple of weeks or so to go by my gunsmith's and check it out. If we decide not to use the stock, you're welcome to it.

Cheers!
-Bob F.


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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: BFaucett]
      #108057 - 25/06/08 01:29 AM

If you are considering original chamberings, don't overlook 8X64S, an original Brenneke cartridge, and far superior to the 8X60S in case capacity and performance. Cases can also be formed from .30-'06 brass. I have a Husqvarna Mauser 98 sporter in 8X57S I will be converting to 8X64S as soon as I can find someone with a chamber reamer to do the job for me.

One possible problem for me is that the neck dimensions on my 8X57S are larger than the neck dimensions given for the 8X64S, but since the shoulder of the 8X64S is 55mm from the base of the case, that only leaves a 2mm section of the shoulder which would not be cleaned up. Or I could have the chamber cut using a 7X64 reamer with an 8mm pilot and use an appropriately sized necker and throater to cut the neck and throat.


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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: xausa]
      #108087 - 25/06/08 09:53 AM

thanks bob....paul

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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) photos [Re: BFaucett]
      #108372 - 28/06/08 11:15 AM

Bob,

Nice and this should turn out to be another Eliza Doolittle for you to turn into a princess!

I can see that Don S hasn;t visited here yet. He might be busy. Do send him a PM and ask him or I could do that as well if you want me to. He is our resident Mauser expert and also one of the nicest people here.

Congratulations again and yes, please do post restoration pics here as you work on the rifle.

Very good hunting, my friend!

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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) photos [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #108393 - 28/06/08 02:49 PM

Thats a very interesting project. I have a siamese mauser in .45-70 that needs some attention. As soon as I figure out how to post pics I'll put it on here for suggestions.

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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: bigmaxx]
      #108398 - 28/06/08 04:21 PM

Another calibre possibility might be the .318 Westley Richards. Same bolt face and .330 calibre.

I like the idea of a 8x60 mm S as well.

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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: NitroX]
      #134909 - 09/05/09 02:38 PM

Well, it's been almost a year now since my original post so I thought I'd give a little update on the rifle project.

I decided to have the rifle rebarreled with a new barrel. I decided to make it an 8x60S. Todd, my gunsmith, is friends with Dan Pedersen of Classic Barrel and Gun Works in Prescott, Arizona. Todd called Dan and asked him about the possibility of having a new barrel made, with the same contours as the original barrel, and having it chambered in 8x60S. Dan said "No problem!" Seems that Dan actually had an 8x60S reamer and had chambered a few rifles for the cartridge over the years. What luck! So, the action was sent to Dan's shop in Prescott.

After a few months, Todd received the action with the new barrel. Dan copied the dimensions of the old barrel for the new barrel exactly. It gets better.... Dan also mounted the original sights and barrel band sling eye to the new barrel! Dan mentioned to Todd that the action is very true and straight and in very good condition. That was good to hear.

There's more!.... Dan is also friends with Rube Wells, the son of the late Fred Wells. (Dan used to be the barrel maker for Fred Wells.) Rube is a SERIOUS Mauser collector and became intrigued with my little rifle project when he saw it at Dan's shop. He liked it even more when he found out the new barrel was going to be chambered for the 8x60S. One day, Rube went back to his store and brought a brand new, custom Fred Wells designed replacement bolt handle over to Dan's shop for my rifle! And, he GAVE it to me free of charge! I was amazed when Todd told me about what had transpired. Rube told Dan that, "A guy that's going to the trouble to have a new, custom 8x60S rifle made on an original Oberndorf action deserves to have a quality bolt handle for it!" (Thanks Rube, it's very much appreciated by me!)

So, the rifle is now back at Todd's shop. It's going to be rust blued and Todd has a nice piece of Turkish walnut picked out for the stock. The stock will be finished with a nice, hand rubbed oil finish and hand checkered. Todd has also located original Oberndorf Mauser sporter bottom metal for the rifle.

So, this little project is moving along quite nicely. I haven't seen the rifle since it came back with the new barrel. I'll try to get some photos of the barreled action the next time I'm at Todd's shop and post them on here.

Cheers!
BOB




Edited by BFaucett (09/05/09 03:41 PM)


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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: BFaucett]
      #134974 - 10/05/09 12:22 PM

We need an applause icon.

Pictures, Bob, pictures! Even if they're 'in progress'!


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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: Story]
      #135004 - 10/05/09 08:40 PM

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We need an applause icon.

Pictures, Bob, pictures! Even if they're 'in progress'!






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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: NitroX]
      #135021 - 10/05/09 11:40 PM

Bob, great project!!

Great caliber choice! {That one was my first choice, 9x57 second place for me.}

I like the idea of the rebuild incorporating the old bbl dimensions and parts, too.

Are you duplicating the original stock shape identically, or making some changes there?

I'm voting for a nice, tasteful, full Montecarlo rollover cheekpiece with a ventilated recoil pad and squarebase forearm with a backslant tip, with skipline checkering and whiteline spacers under the pad, forestock tip and deer antler bud grip cap.

Classically finished in highgloss epoxy of course!

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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: 9.3x57]
      #135049 - 11/05/09 03:11 AM

I'm voting for a nice, tasteful, full Montecarlo rollover cheekpiece with a ventilated recoil pad and squarebase forearm with a backslant tip, with skipline checkering and whiteline spacers under the pad, forestock tip and deer antler bud grip cap.

Classically finished in highgloss epoxy of course!


For f**k sake you almost gave me a heartattack

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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: peter]
      #135097 - 11/05/09 04:10 PM

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For f**k sake you almost gave me a heartattack
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I threw up in my mouth, a little bit.


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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: Story]
      #135114 - 11/05/09 10:30 PM

I apologize.

That was cruel of me...



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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: 9.3x57]
      #135126 - 12/05/09 12:38 AM

Bob:
Great Project. These old lovelies do need to be brought back to classic "life" again.
The 8x60S is an unappreciated caliber. This will likely turn out to be a great addition and hunter.
This, along with the Ossa 9.3 will certianly make nice company.
'88
More applause!

PS: 9.3 and Peter: Many of us still have that old 1960-70 "disco" stocked sporter sitting around.
Nice to know they can be "dressed" up in a more classic fashion. Bob's gunsmith (Todd of Lone Star)
has shown me a few of these conversions to very respectable classic form. Until I do this, my old markX with appoxy finish, roll-over monticarlo, etc. will still go to the range once in a while.

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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: BFaucett]
      #135142 - 12/05/09 05:45 AM

Bob,

One more vote for pictures. Since you're getting this rifle built, it will be beautiful!

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Re: trying to salvage an old Mauser (original Oberndorf?) ph [Re: 9.3x57]
      #135167 - 12/05/09 12:17 PM

Quote:

I'm voting for a nice, tasteful, full Montecarlo rollover cheekpiece with a ventilated recoil pad and squarebase forearm with a backslant tip, with skipline checkering and whiteline spacers under the pad, forestock tip and deer antler bud grip cap.

Classically finished in highgloss epoxy of course!




Nah!, that's too retro. I think going very modern would be the way to go. Heck, I think I'll call up McMillan and see what they can do for me with one of their new "swirly" stocks!



http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-stocks-finishes.php

I think the old Mauser would look really classy with one of these new styles of stocks!!!!

-Bob F.


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