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bwanakim
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.470 Evans
#106919 - 07/06/08 02:24 AM

I appreciate the comments of the contributors relative to my post concerning the rifles at Cabela's in Buda, Texas. I am seeking the advice of the participants concerning one of the rifles for sale, particularly as to the value of the piece. Specifically, it is the .470 Evans shown here:cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/community/gun_inventory/inventory/buda/fine_rifle/999843_evn470_bud.jsp?hierarchyId=10473

The barrels are apparently not original, or if they are, they were not proofed in 1930 when the rifle was made. As the photos in the listing show, they were proofed in 1994, apparently in London. The engraving on the barrels is most certainly not 30's era, and is not appropriate to the rest of the gun. That grip cap looks a little funny, too. Given this, I would appreciate any ideas on value, with a thought to resale down the road, as I remain loyal to very few of my guns. I have a Clintonesque tendency to "play the field."

I offered them 18K. which they declined.

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Edited by bwanakim (07/06/08 02:32 AM)

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CptCurl
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Re: .470 Evans [Re: bwanakim]
#106921 - 07/06/08 02:42 AM

Obviously it's not a collector's piece. You must consider it for its utility value only. However, they have it priced above 100% collector grade. It's cobbled together from various pieces and parts. Neither fish nor fowl.

It doesn't appear to have intercepting sears.

Who owns the rifle? The maker says it was never sold. My understanding of the law is that the rightful owner might still have a claim.

Perhaps $15,000 IMHO.

Curl

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CptCurl
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Re: .470 Evans [Re: CptCurl]
#106923 - 07/06/08 02:43 AM

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I offered them 18K. which they declined.

I just saw that part of your post.

They were very foolish to turn down your offer.

I would not offer more.

Curl

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peter
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Re: .470 Evans [Re: CptCurl]
#106928 - 07/06/08 03:25 AM

bwanakim

listen to curl here, his estimate is a lot closer to what i think it would be worth.

best regards

peter

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dnovo
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Re: .470 Evans [Re: peter]
#106929 - 07/06/08 03:37 AM

How about this solution: Since there is no 'collector' value for the Evans, and if you want a new, well built 470, you can get a Heym for the same price, or less, a Krieghoff, a Merkel, or a Chapuis. All are fine, well built, accurate, safe and NEW guns.

There seems to be a belief that "if it is a British DR, it is good, anything else is only second best" that some think is proper. I suggest that why buy a used up, and questionable DR of ANY make when one can buy a very good, very good looking, and very functionable DR from companies who are skilled and reputable? Hell, if you don't want to buy one of those, buy a Searcy 470. Great guns and plenty of 'like new' 470s from Butch all over the secondary market.

Sorry for my lapse into common sense. I apologize. Dave

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Dutch44
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Re: .470 Evans [Re: dnovo]
#106933 - 07/06/08 05:18 AM

Both CaptCurl and dnovo are correct. I have gone through 5 nice English doubles that somehow didn't quite have the correct balance, weight or barrel length (see balance and weight). Although two shot 1.3 to 1.9 R/L at 100 yards I finally wised up and had one made to order. That's peace of mind.

Dutch

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butchloc
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Re: .470 Evans [Re: Dutch44]
#107123 - 10/06/08 05:04 AM

in my expereience with cabelas - anything they have is worth alot less than they are asking and anything you have is worth a lot less than what it is. even though their big store is 5 miles from my house, i've gotten to the point that i won't even consider looking at their stuff

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bigdog
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Re: .470 Evans [Re: butchloc]
#107143 - 10/06/08 10:42 AM

Cabelas is in business to make money. I have traded with them a couple of times and have been very satisfied with them.

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Re: .470 Evans [Re: bigdog]
#107148 - 10/06/08 12:27 PM

Curl is most generous.
Bill

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JDD
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Re: .470 Evans [Re: Bill_Cooley]
#107168 - 10/06/08 11:12 PM

I was at the Cabelas gun show this Sunday near Baton Rouge La. The show was a joke. They had a Merkel 140 and a Searcy Ph both in 470 @ $11,999.00 (Fair wood but no up grades). They had a 9.3X74 Chapris at $6900.
They had some of the old rem nylon 66 in 22 for $300 +

JD

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gei
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Re: .470 Evans [Re: JDD]
#107171 - 10/06/08 11:53 PM

Dave, I agree with you. I had 470 Merkel, shot wonderful, made my first trip to Africa with it. sold it and bought 470 heym, really nice gun. sold that and now have 450/400 heym, waiting for my brass so i can shoot the gun, i m more impressed with the 450/400 then i was with the 470, just personal point of view.

Cost wise, I feel the merkel is the best deal going. the German (or newer guns) (to me) are much easier to regulate.

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JabaliHunter
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Re: .470 Evans [Re: gei]
#107191 - 11/06/08 08:51 AM

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the German (or newer guns) (to me) are much easier to regulate.

I assume that you mean that it is easier to find a load that shoots to point of aim, which is to be expected because they are regulated at the factory with current commercial loads, whereas older doubles were regulated with loads (powders, primers and bullets) that may no longer be available.

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DUGABOY1
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Re: .470 Evans [Re: JabaliHunter]
#107288 - 13/06/08 01:00 AM

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the German (or newer guns) (to me) are much easier to regulate.

I assume that you mean that it is easier to find a load that shoots to point of aim, which is to be expected because they are regulated at the factory with current commercial loads, whereas older doubles were regulated with loads (powders, primers and bullets) that may no longer be available.

I agree Jabalihunter! The newer rifles are not only made of better steel, but are regulated with modern powders, primers, and better brass. The cost is lower, not because of less value, but because of modern manufacturing machinery that illiminates the bulk of the "hog work" historicly done by aprentices by hand. This leaves the skilled work, that is done by very skilled artisens, the same way it was 100 yrs ago. Most of these are working rifles, and that too, cuts retail cost.

The missuse of the word "REGULATE" is one of the reasons lots of novices do not fully undersatnd how double rifles are supposed to work. The factories are responcible for this, by their liberal use of that word without expalination. Regulation is a physical manipulation of the barrel's conversion by the barrel man at the factory. People have come to use this word "REGULATING" for the working up loads to fit the regulation, and this isn't correct.

Then the maker, conpounds the missunderstanding by calling the sight cutting with an uterance of "SIGHTS REGULATED AT 100 Mtrs"! This leads people to assume the rifles crosses it's shots at that range, and this is also not true. The maker is talking about two different things they call regulation. This "REGULATION" has to do with cutting the sightes only, and has nothing to do with the regulation of the barrels. It would be called "REGULATION" on a single barrel rifle as well, and is only adjusting the sights to be "ON TARGET" at 100 Mtrs, and the barrels do not cross at any distance,if properly loaded, but the center of each barrel's individual group remains on it's own side of point of aim, with the sights pointing at a point that is half way between the centers of the individual barrel groups, forming a composite group around the POA @ 100Mtrs.

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