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Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle
      #106235 - 28/05/08 07:04 PM

There are several odd double rifles out there, but this new one made by Steinkamp-Waffenbau seems to be the oddest I've seen in quite some time.

It's a "Shorty" double rifle, where you open the rear part of the buttstock to reload.

Steinkamp SW1:



A synthetic stocked version is of course also available.






http://www.steinkamp-waffenbau.de/produkte.html

They are made in the following calibers:

* 5,6x50R Mag
* 7x65R
* 8x57IRS
* 9,3x74R

There's a little video on this page: http://www.steinkamp-waffenbau.de/start.html

I personally can't see the reasoning behind the design of this double rifle, and from what's seen in the video, it doesn't seem very practical.

Not to mention that it's even weirder than the Blaser R93 Duo/Hamed double. Which I thought would be difficult to achieve.



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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: EricD]
      #106239 - 28/05/08 07:51 PM

My God, doesn't that Blaser look nice Ugh, best, Mike

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #106241 - 28/05/08 09:07 PM

It has a single trigger, so I guess most purists won't like it

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Nighthawk]
      #106245 - 28/05/08 10:13 PM

If you look at it dispassionately, it makes sense if you want and ultra-portable DR for the fast follow up second shot, with 9.3X74R a well known and respected cartridge. Charm? Zero. Aesthetics? Zero. Easy to use and shot? Great. Reloading? Awkward. Market share? Who the hell knows. Dave

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: dnovo]
      #106255 - 29/05/08 02:49 AM

The butt stock on that "shorty-double" would make a nice emergency canoe paddle ...

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #106262 - 29/05/08 04:32 AM

looks aside(please take them away) i think it would handle like a brick, the handling is why a lot of us buys dbl. rifles in the first place. but man! they are fugly

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: peter]
      #106265 - 29/05/08 06:38 AM

I didn't say I thought it was 1) good looking or 2) good handling. I also did not say I'd buy one, I sure as hell would not. Dave

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: dnovo]
      #106266 - 29/05/08 07:00 AM

no worrys dave, i dont think any of us would buy that thing, or admit to it if we did. i do wonder how it shoots though .

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: peter]
      #106269 - 29/05/08 07:25 AM

I could not see either of these in my gun cabinet; but I could see the shorty rotating among my flight bag, the box on my DS bike, and the toolbox of my old Rover.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: EricD]
      #106444 - 01/06/08 03:31 PM

Erik,

Would the gunmaker have any reasoning to offer for thie design? Is it supposed to fulfil any specific function? Looks odd to say the least...

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #106462 - 02/06/08 04:39 AM

Quote:

Erik,

Would the gunmaker have any reasoning to offer for thie design?



Mehul,

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #106464 - 02/06/08 04:55 AM

I am not Erik, but I will venture that this design is aimed at making the most compact multiple shot rifle or shotgun. The same could be done with a single, I guess. This thing even with ful length barrels is shorter ready to shoot than many takedowns when broken down.

This inventive design is not patently flawed, but it is not at all what is in the minds eye when thinking of double rifles. A special purpose tool not a fine sporting arm.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Landy]
      #106470 - 02/06/08 05:58 AM

The bullpup/shorty design probably would be quite quick and snap pointing in close confined areas (eg military applications) but would not swing well or balance well on running targets.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #107361 - 14/06/08 02:14 AM

Back in the sixties "BULLPUPING" was very popular and Styer made a bullpup magazine rifle that was a good design with the magazine in the buttstock. The rifle was no longer than a submachinegun, but sported a 22" barrel.

The double pictured here is just about as ugly as I've ever seen, but in a tight crawl-in to sort out a cat in in the rock cravases of a kopge it may have some merit. Another application is a survival rifle for bush pilots comes to mind. The rifle could be chambered for anything up to 458 Win mag, but I'd leave the barrels exposed from the trigger guard forward!

Not my cup of tea, but still it has some aplications that make sense, IMO!

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #107626 - 18/06/08 06:35 AM

I realy like the scopemount, makes a good handle to carry it also.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: 450_366]
      #107696 - 19/06/08 05:00 PM

Good morning forum members.

I think I have to introduce myself at first (and apologize for my poor English).

I am the head of the gun building department of Steinkamp Maschinenbau.

The SW1 was never meant to be in one class with a fine side-by-side express rifle.
Development began as a survival rifle for pilots but some hunters asked for a double rifle version.

Like a good drilling machine for a craftsman it is meant as a tool for the hunter, nothing else. It is build for compactness and precision, not for the elegance of a fine side-by-side.
For the SW1 design follows function or in this case: compactness.
And definitely: It is not the most elegant but the most compact double rifle on the market.
So, if you need a compact and rugged all-day rifle where you don´t need white gloves to touch it, have a look at our SW1.

The "high" scope mount was built on customers request. The normal solution we deliver as a standard for every rifle are solid spacers in three different heights to raise the weaver rail.
You can use any standard weaver-type scope mount with this solution.

Greetings from germany,
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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #107700 - 19/06/08 06:13 PM

hi jorg

wellcome to NE.com, please dont be insulted by our remarks, your design is just so different from what we normally run into and discuss, that it was bound to get a hard rewiew.
i still wonder as to the handling, have you done it so that the weight lies a bit forward so it can swing ?

best regards

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: peter]
      #107704 - 19/06/08 06:36 PM

Hi Peter,

thank you for your welcome.

Eyery remark is welcome. If everyone would have the same sight of things life would get boring...(and we wouldn´t have built this gun...)

The handling is definitely differing from normal rifles. Its difficult to describe. The centrepoint of weight is at your shoulder and is supported by the shoulder so it handles like a very light gun. Therefore it doesnt really "swing" but it is really fast, faster than a normal gun.
I think one would have to handle it to understand the SW1 "behaviour".

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #107740 - 20/06/08 07:29 AM

Hi!

I hope i didnt sound to sarkastic with my remark on the scopemount, if so my please accept my appology. Its just that compared to a conventional rifle it looks high, and i realise that with the unusual stock the line of sight would be higher. If its a handyrifle why not a holosight that one could flip up and that way ceep the rifle as slim as possible. Also people who do a lot of tracking of wounded animals could benefit of the design, the are usually wanting to use short rifles.

And i would rather have the bulpup rifle than the blaser R93 duo.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: 450_366]
      #107749 - 20/06/08 11:22 AM

What is it really for? Cleaning out a crack house?

I would rather have a Steyr Aug.

It ain't no double rifle, and that's a fact.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #107761 - 20/06/08 04:23 PM

Quote:


It ain't no classic double rifle, and that's a fact.

Curl



If YOU talk about a double rifle i think you could mean something like this:

http://freenetfoto.de/userwebsite;jsessionid=57n2ey9h6i3m.freenetapp12?act=15&pos=5

But this is a future project...

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Edited by Dipling (20/06/08 04:25 PM)

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #107762 - 20/06/08 05:21 PM

Jörg,

Welcome to NE. It is always interesting to hear about guns directly from the source.

I tried the picture link you provided, but it automatically brings us to the "Freenetfoto" main page, and not the picture.

Erik

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: EricD]
      #107764 - 20/06/08 05:42 PM

Hi Erik,

thank you for your welcome, too.

I don´t know what happened to the link but try this one: http://freenetfoto.de/album/doppioristretto/
I hope this will work.
You will find some pictures of a prototype, the SW1 serial standard and on picture nr. 6 you´ll see one of our future projects.

Jörg

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Edited by Dipling (20/06/08 05:49 PM)

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #107768 - 20/06/08 08:51 PM

Dipling,

First let me welcome you to the forum.

Now let me atone for my blunt comment of yesterday. It was not my intention to disparage your product, and I apologize if my post gave that impression. Subtlety on the internet is hard to achieve, and nuanced remarks often play wrong. My butchered grammar was intended to connote facetiousness, but seeing the remark in today's light makes me realize my effort failed.

The only real seriousness in my post does deserve some discussion, so let me present it properly. Would you please expound on the ideas behind this design? Is it intended as a sporting arm?

Beyond those basic questions, I would be interested to learn more about the design, how it operates, techniques of manufacture, cost, and availability. More detailed photographs would be welcome also.

Again, my apologies, and my welcome to you.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #107769 - 20/06/08 09:46 PM

Curl,

thank you very much for your welcome and for your interest.

The idea behind this design is very simple: Building the most compact double rifle.

We try to combine some of the advantages of a double barreled rifle with the compactness of a bullpub-design.
Advantages of a double barreled rifle in this case are the fast second shot and the possibility to combine a shotgun and a rifle caliber or a big and a small rifle caliber. We are building not only double rifles.
Advantages of the bullpup-design are the compactness and the speed of getting the gun on the target.
If a bullpup gun is carried muzzle down, buttstock already at the shoulder it is faster than any other conventional rifle.

Parts are besides some exceptions completely CNC-milled from high-quality steels.
The trigger-system is attached to the upper barrel and carries the weaver-rail.
The barrels are free floating for thermal lengthening.
The barrels are adjustable for windage and elevation.

The rifles locks are cocked by the underlever and automatically decocked by operating the opening lever beneath the trigger.

Cases are ejected by opening the spring-opened buttstock end cap. If you open it manually the cases are only extracted.

The action is a falling block action operated with the buttstock end cap.

The suggested retail price incl. VAT here in Germany is 3200,-€.

Our customers are hunters, especially professional hunters. Some of our customers already used the SW1 for driven hunts with great success.

The next SW1´s will be availible in August, all in 8x57 IRS besides some rifles in 9.3x74 R.

Combination guns will be made on special order.

I hope my english is good enough to provide you some information.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #107770 - 21/06/08 12:04 AM

Guten tag Joerg,

Wilkommen Sie! That is all the Deutsch I know and your English is superb no no need to apologise at all.

We are somewhat traditional here but that is because double rifles are an old tradition in guns. That does not mean, however, that we are not open to new ideas and you must be thanked for taking the time to come here and post. It is always refreshing when the inventor of a concept comes to our forum to put their ideas forward and we have had another gentleman who is associated with another modern double rifle design come and make many friends here. You will always be welcome.

And now my personal request - I am known here as the official pesterer for gun and hunting pictures. I would like to request you to please post some hunting pictures of successful hunters who have used your rifles whenever you have time. If posting is a problem, there are several of us who would be most happy to help you.

Best wishes and do enjoy your stay here and post any updates / information from time to time as there are new developments in your company. You will always be welcome.

Good hunting!

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #107775 - 21/06/08 12:24 AM

Hello Mehul,

Danke für das Willkommen!

I hope I get some pictures in autumn when the season for driven hunts begin here in germany. As soon as I have some, I´ll naturally will post them.

Waidmannsheil!

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #107784 - 21/06/08 03:10 AM

Thank you for the new link Jörg. For the sake of making it easy for all to see, I am taking the liberty of adding your photos to this thread:












I am interested to hear more about your future project (top picture).

Erik

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: EricD]
      #107785 - 21/06/08 03:24 AM

Very interesting indeed. And I agree wholeheartedly with Mehul. We welcome the discussion of new concepts and ideas here, even though we remain traditional at heart.

Thanks for posting.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #108027 - 24/06/08 04:36 PM

Joerg,

I am very interested in buying an SW-1 as a compact rifle for motorcycle and lightplane trips. Do you have a USA distributor?

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Landy]
      #108028 - 24/06/08 05:49 PM

Landy,

thank you for interest. And for your courage to show it here.

No, we don´t have a distributor in the US. We just started serial production and are selling here in europe as a first step.
I think the SW1 will be available in the US at the end of this year.

Please visit our homepage and drop me a line. I will inform you when we have found a distributor.

www.steinkamp-waffenbau.de

I have to apologize for having only a german website but the english version will start soon.
However there is an english flyer and an english manual, too.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #108029 - 24/06/08 06:00 PM

Hello Dipling, likewise I hope my earlier comment didn't offend. I prefer classic stuff but I have to admit this would make a great survival gun and is certainly compact. What is overall length ? best, Mike Bailey

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #108032 - 24/06/08 07:32 PM

Hello Mike,

OAL is 26.8 inches, barrel length is 24 inches.
Weight (depending on calibres) is approximately 7.5 lbs without optics.

Regards,
Jörg

PS: You didn´t offend me. We visited the IWA fair in Nuremberg this year and I know nearly all opinions about the SW1. I´m aware of the SW1´s controversional design and I think if there is no critism we can´t get better.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #108241 - 27/06/08 05:17 AM

I'd also be interested to know when you obtain a US distributor. My next gun will be a traditional Merkel drilling, but I mostly shoot my Blaser R93 now so I'm open to new ideas.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #108364 - 28/06/08 10:52 AM

Jörg,

Yes, please let us know when you have a US distributor and when you launch here. I am sure that many would try your gun when it does go on sale and check it out for themselves.

All new ideas undergo some resistance but people do accept them when they see that they work.

Very best wishes and thanks for posting here. As I had assured you, you can see that you are making friends here. We are a friendly lot and enjoy an argument sometimes. I am also sure that both we and you have much to learn from each other. I am a learner but these forums have some very advanced experts in double rifle design and use.

Very good hunting!

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #108582 - 30/06/08 03:48 PM

Mehul,

and to all the others here: Thank you very much for your welcome and for your help. I would be proud if you regard me as a friend. And I will always be a learner because I´m always curious for new and old things thats new for me.

You will hear from the SW1.

Best wishes,

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #108936 - 04/07/08 05:21 PM

I hope the link works: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=HItC4u5A6QA
It shows the handling of the SW1.

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #108955 - 04/07/08 10:02 PM

it looks a bit anoying when the scope keeps hitting him in the forehead, that might give the flinch from hell.

other than that it looks very IPSC shooting style, which can be very fast.

best regards

peter

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: peter]
      #109051 - 05/07/08 10:53 PM

Thank you for your sympathy Peter but the scope didn´t hit me. I´m a calm person but not so stoic to bear the kiss of a scope without reaction. ;-)

The IPSC-style is the best way for me to control recoil when shooting fast.

Have a nice weekend!

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Re: Steinkamp-Waffenbau SW1 double rifle [Re: Dipling]
      #109854 - 16/07/08 04:56 PM

You're English is great
and you're a gentleman
as well, so you'll never
fit in with me and the
rest of the savages here
on the net!

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Cordially,
Jack

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