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9.3x57
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Gunzinindia
      #104839 - 12/05/08 10:50 AM

Naki and Mehul, can you fellows give us a rundownn on gunlaws in India at present?

Can a fellow own a rifle, shotgun, or handgun?

Can a fellow carry a handgun?

IS there any hunting allowed for locals? If so, under what circumstances?

How would you rate the commonality of gun ownership? Who owns what?

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Re: Gunzinindia [Re: 9.3x57]
      #104840 - 12/05/08 11:23 AM

9ThreeXFifty7,

Indian gun laws are among the most repressive in the world. You can own only three firearms and until recently they ahd to have calibers smaller than 8mm for rifles and less than 32 for handguns, but that ahs now been altered by a Supreme Court judgement. However, the import of guns was effectively banned in 1984 and the only guns that can be imported are by Indians who have worked outside the country for more than a year and who have bought a gun during this time. Target shooters who qualify with a minimum score in different competitions (mainly insipid ISSF trash) are allowed to import a target firearm every five years.

Technically there is no hunting but crop protection permits are issued by Divisional Forest Officers for shooting species like boar and nilgai in order to protect crops. However, one state, Chhatisgarh sold boar licenses to non Indian sportsmen three years ago for $ 50 each and there is a proposal to allow boar and nilgai hunting to foreigners in the near future. The government has finally realised the amount of money it could make from selling licenses to non Indians who go there to shoot game.

I wish there were a way of informing the chowderheads who run the country how ridiculously inept the Indian gun laws have been. The UN estimates that the world's largest stocks of illegal firearms are in India for one thing. For another, wealthy Indians own guns and leave them with dealers/hunting outfitters etc in countries like the UK and some African nations and they use them whenever they go there to hunt. If these guns could be brought in into India, they would attract a 300% customs duty and that would mean a huge amount of money going to the government in revenues. SOmehow, you just can;t knock sense into politicians and bureaucrats' heads no matter how hard you try.

Sorry for the rant but I do have strong feelings about the country of my birth and about how the socialist and communist scum there have made a mess of it.

Good hunting!

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Re: Gunzinindia [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #104947 - 13/05/08 11:23 AM

I'd like to make a few other points.

Firearm licences are usually restricted to a district (like a county). If you are more influential you can get a state permit. A national permit is difficult to get today. Age restriction is 21 years. The Nawab of Patawdi has been under prosecution / litigation for shooting a Black Buck (protected game) & the gun was traced to his daughter who was 19 at that time. The courts have ruled that she is not eligible to have the licence. I got my national gun licence when I was 19 because dad was a senior forestry official & a mate of the police commissioner. Such flexibility will probably be very limited now. Every firearm is registered with serial no.

Carrying a hand gun for protection is also very restricted. Usually VIPs / politicians get such licences.

Semi auto shotguns & centre fire rifles used to be banned. 22 semiautos & handguns used to be allowed.

30 years ago the most common firearms used to be muzzle loaders. Many were illegally made & numbered with an old relic's serial number & thus getting legitimised.

Getting ammo is also very difficult. You either have the right contacts or get imports (which again requires contacts & $$). Reloading is difficult as the so called smokeless powder is actually a form of "crystal" "black" powder. This is possible only for shotguns & the risk of corroding the gun is very high. I still have my hand loading kit with manual roll crimper etc. - made of brass & in the same design as the paper cartridge loading sets of the early 1900s!

The illegal firearm trade is still very active. In parts of the country it is possible to buy an AK47 & 2000 rounds of ammo for about $1500. Shotguns & handguns are also available in the black market. The risks of getting caught may be low because the cost of implementing controls is so high & impractical. But if you do get caught, the consequences can be disastrous - as was the case with a movie star & the Nawab of Patawdi.

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Re: Gunzinindia [Re: Nakihunter]
      #104948 - 13/05/08 11:35 AM

Thanks, Gents!

Very, very interesting.

Seems like a general overhaul of the gun laws might be in order, but that alas, might not be quickly forthcoming.

To this outsider, India is a world unto itself, and a fascinating world at that.

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