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rifles in dutch east-india
#104554 - 08/05/08 11:35 PM

found this pic's in the net, sometimes around 1930. what do you think about the rifles? the white hunter may have a german M 88 sporter and his native companion seems to have a M 95 dutch mannlicher with original miltary stock but i can be wrong:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c36/dutchtrapper/tijgerindonesie.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c36/dutchtrapper/indonesieolifant2.jpg

the M 88 in 8x57 is a little bit on the ligth side but many M 88 for colony's get new barrels for 9x57.
the 6,5x53R have a fine reputation for big game including elefant's. find this M 95 sporter http://www.rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/ballistics/custom_rifles/classic_mannlicher.html
and the magazin looks like the rifle on the second pic.

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Re: rifles in dutch east-india [Re: lancaster]
#104573 - 09/05/08 02:16 AM

There still is hunting in Malaysia and Indonesia and I have some good friends from the region. I shall try and find out what old guns are still kicking around. These days they prefer Sauer 202s and stuff like that.

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Re: rifles in dutch east-india [Re: mehulkamdar]
#104618 - 09/05/08 03:26 PM

interesting, I allways looking for historical material about this area. the only book I know till now is Ton Schilling "Tigermen of Anai". a must have for every armchair hunter.
wonder if its worth to search for old guns there,allways a question of gun law in the last 60 years.
it seem to be that german guns, the mauser on first place,rule this area.
a double rifle made from pure gold for a indian prince may be fine but a farmer gun living in the jungle for the most part's of his life is allways or more of value for me.

I waiting for your opinions about the two rifle's, gentleman. thanks for looking

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Re: rifles in dutch east-india [Re: lancaster]
#104619 - 09/05/08 04:39 PM

Lancaster, that is one fine looking rifle you have there!! I too have always looked for historical materiel from that area as my family is at least partially from that area . Thanks for the lead on the tigermen book. I shall have to have a copy.

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Re: rifles in dutch east-india [Re: Taos]
#104622 - 09/05/08 05:39 PM

allways nice to help, its out of print for 50 years but you can find it. contakt
Aucott & Thomas

46 Dennis Street
UK-LE67 2FP Hugglescote, Leicestershire
Großbritannien
+44 1530 / 83 16 04
E-Mail: books@aucott.com
Internet: http://www.aucott.com

he have one Schilling, Ton
Tigermen of Anai

George Allen & Unwin 1957
Hardcover Very Good with no dust jacket First Edition Very good hardback in green cloth with silver gilt titles, boards have minor wear at the corners, and there is a previous owners' name/address on the front endpaper, o/w a clean tightly bound copy. 192 pages, illustrated by 13 photos on plates, index. No dustjacket. 1

[ Sport: Shooting Tiger Panther Big Game Hunting Elephant Komodo Java Indonesia]
for UK£ 18,50

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Re: rifles in dutch east-india [Re: lancaster]
#104623 - 09/05/08 05:41 PM

btw, the mannlicher in the link is not mini, but great. very similar to the old british made mannlicher I have seen in the past. found it when looking for comparison

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Re: rifles in dutch east-india [Re: lancaster]
#104841 - 12/05/08 11:29 AM

Lancaster,

The guns that I have seen and shot (belonging to friends) in Malaysia were all new ones as I told you. However, in India, Mannlichers were always considered aristocrats' guns among bolt actions while Mausers, Lee Speeds etc were working guns.

I do like the restoration project by Harold Ledbetter that you have posted. There are many such projects being done these days (Corbin has a new one of his own on these very forums) and that can only be a good thing.

Do post pictures of your rifles as well over here.

Good hunting!

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Re: rifles in dutch east-india [Re: mehulkamdar]
#104969 - 13/05/08 05:21 PM

Damn!!! An Aussie got the book before I got to it. Enjoy!

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Re: rifles in dutch east-india [Re: Taos]
#104990 - 14/05/08 12:08 AM

sorry, those damned aussies are allways hart to beat.
check this site from time to time http://www.choosebooks.com/basicSearch.d...ge=25&isbn=

just now only the german edition and one(?) french kopie from this book is available but it will come back again.

I remember a book from hans otto meissner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Otto_Meissner
Titel: Ich jagte Menschenfresser ( I hunted maneater), also very rare and about maneating tiger on java and sumatra, believe it only exist in a german edition. dont find it now with google

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Re: rifles in dutch east-india [Re: lancaster]
#105231 - 16/05/08 01:23 AM

Quote:

found this pic's in the net, sometimes around 1930. what do you think about the rifles? the white hunter may have a german M 88 sporter and his native companion seems to have a M 95 dutch mannlicher with original miltary stock but i can be wrong:

the M 88 in 8x57 is a little bit on the ligth side but many M 88 for colony's get new barrels for 9x57.
the 6,5x53R have a fine reputation for big game including elefant's.

Photos copied to NE.

I like these little Mannlichers.

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Re: rifles in dutch east-india [Re: NitroX]
#105389 - 17/05/08 07:10 PM

find a pic: Hans Otto Meissner ( with sunglasses) and the maneater from Kampodong/Sumatra 1956
a M 98 in 9,3x64
do not see this book till now

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