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alaskan
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PRE-64 VS. MAUSER
#104190 - 04/05/08 04:59 AM

I need to decide within the next couple of months which action to use for my custom rifle. The caliber will be either a 375 H&H or 404 Jeffery. I have narrowed the choices down to either pre-64 or granite mountain. The gun is going to cost $10,000 with the granite mountain action or $8,000 with the pre-64 action. Any thoughts?

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Ripp
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Re: PRE-64 VS. MAUSER [Re: alaskan]
#104193 - 04/05/08 05:05 AM

I have looked quite a bit at the granite mountain actions lately and feel they are very good quality and done really well which is why the cost is quite a bit higher..having said that..you can get a model 70 action to really "trick" up nice with your gunsmith spending some time on it.. I would not hesitate at all using a model 70 action..and actually plan to build a custom using one soon..

There is another firm called Montana Actions...which are good also but really rough when they first show up..again can be smoothed up...but require some work..

Finally there is Dakota Actions which are also very nice when you get them..but expensive --around $2500 on up...also not sure how they are doing now financially..know they were experienceing problems earlier...

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xausa
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Re: PRE-64 VS. MAUSER [Re: alaskan]
#104194 - 04/05/08 05:09 AM

My thought would be go with the M70 for a .375 and with the Granite Mountain for a .404. I think trying to make a .404 work in a Model 70 is too much of a stretch. The difference in diameter of the cases at the base (.544" vs. .513") would limit magazine capacity and might cause feeding problems.

The barrel shank diameter of a Model 70 is also a consideration. You don't want to get the chamber walls too thin. The Model 70 shank diameter is .100" less than that of a 98 Mauser (and .125" less than a P14 or 1917 Enfield.)

The case length is about the same and the .404 OAL is actually shorter. Nonetheless...

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Marrakai
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Re: PRE-64 VS. MAUSER [Re: xausa]
#104227 - 04/05/08 01:23 PM

...and don't forget, literally thousands of highly successful .404s have been built on standard Mauser 98 actions over the past century.

My friend Don D_ has a very nice example of a .404 custom rifle built on a 98 action here in Darwin just a few years ago. Except for the Fleur-de-Lis checkering, which is not to my taste, its a ripper!

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Re: PRE-64 VS. MAUSER [Re: xausa]
#104235 - 04/05/08 04:20 PM

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My thought would be go with the M70 for a .375 and with the Granite Mountain for a .404. I think trying to make a .404 work in a Model 70 is too much of a stretch. The difference in diameter of the cases at the base (.544" vs. .513") would limit magazine capacity and might cause feeding problems.

The barrel shank diameter of a Model 70 is also a consideration. You don't want to get the chamber walls too thin. The Model 70 shank diameter is .100" less than that of a 98 Mauser (and .125" less than a P14 or 1917 Enfield.)

The case length is about the same and the .404 OAL is actually shorter. Nonetheless...

: I re-barreled and chambered a post 64 .264WinMag to .458 Alaskan, which has a .535" head diameter and .520" shoulder. The shank diameter on the post 64 is a full inch, just like a Mauser. The magazine on mine held 4 just fine, although the feeding needed work albeit less than a standard .98 would need. A Mark 10 would be about the same for magazine work.
: The .458 Alaskan is a .450 Alaskan with the rim turned to .532" and a new extractor groove cut. It had about 4 to 5 gr. greater capacity than the .458 Win Mag. I don't see why the .404 wouldn't work as well. It would probably require less work than a standard Mauser to complete.

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Bramble
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Re: PRE-64 VS. MAUSER [Re: DarylS]
#104254 - 04/05/08 10:50 PM

I am about to build a 404 on a 98 action. I would do so on a Win 70 without reservations. The steel is very much better than the old 98.

Regards.

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xausa
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Re: PRE-64 VS. MAUSER [Re: Bramble]
#104365 - 06/05/08 02:58 AM

Not to make an issue of this, but my reference works list the Large Ring Mauser 98 action as accomodating a 1.100" barrel shank. I measured several take off barrels I have lying around the shop, and they all measured in the range of 27.9mm or 1.100". Earlier versions of the Mauser did indeed have one inch barrel shanks, as did the Krag and the Springfield.

I personally have a post 64 Model 70 barreled in .577 VSRE, the wildcat I have mentioned before, made from the .577 NE case shortened to 2.500" and turned to produce a rebated rim. The case is .660" at the base, which gave my gunsmith pause when he built it. However, he turned the barrel threads to maximum dimensions, giving the closest possible fit with the action threads, and I have never had a problem with it. Of course the pressures I use are quite mild.

According to my source, the German Research and Testing Institute for Hunting and Target Weapons, DEVA, the maximum pressure for the .404 is the same as that for the .303 British, 3650 BAR, so it should present no problem either.

From what I know about the Granite Mountain actions, they are tailored to specific cartridges and have dimensions which avoid the necessity of trying to shoe-horn a cartridge into an action for which it was not designed. Whether that feature is worth $2000 added to the final price is certainly up to the purchaser.

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