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Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE
      #102452 - 14/04/08 11:50 AM

At long last this is my Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE double rifle:

















































Curl

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: CptCurl]
      #102454 - 14/04/08 12:05 PM

What an exquisite piece! I could just keep looking over the scroll engraving. It does not look like it has been used much. Thanks for sharing Rosco!

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: Nakihunter]
      #102455 - 14/04/08 12:13 PM

What a beauty! You're a lucky man! Congratulations!
Great photos too

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #102459 - 14/04/08 12:44 PM

This is a great example of just about my all-time favorite double rifle!
If you ever decide to move it on, please let me know!!

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: Huvius]
      #102463 - 14/04/08 01:19 PM

Bloody ripper, Curl! Marvellous! To find one in that condition, with all the toys still in the toybox, is a real treat! Congrats.

Test targets soon....?

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: Marrakai]
      #102465 - 14/04/08 02:16 PM

Curl-

I'm jealous.

I was on the phone with friends in Roanoke tonight talking about whitetail hunting.
I might be dropping you a note some time later on.
Get that thing running soon!


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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: tinker]
      #102467 - 14/04/08 02:53 PM

Curl,

Thanks for the photos, just outstanding! and my wife wonders why I live on this computer?

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: CptCurl]
      #102472 - 14/04/08 05:07 PM

Curl,
A spectacular A.Henry! I am always amazed at all the minor details and engraving flourishes on these old guns. What is the year of manufacture 187-?

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: gatsby]
      #102478 - 14/04/08 06:55 PM

I envy you, a very nice gun with the case to go with it.

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: 450_366]
      #102479 - 14/04/08 07:05 PM

outstanding curl

if the numbers are following a line it is made after my gun, so that puts it in the 1883-onwards year.

i agree with marrakai finding one with all the bells and whistles in the case is a godsend.

i hope your shoulder mends up quickly, so you can take your price shooting.

how much does it weigh ?

best regards

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: CptCurl]
      #102551 - 15/04/08 08:18 PM

Well Curl you've done it again, what a beauty!
What a find!

I'd like to compliment you also on that fine set of photos.
You have shot and presented those photographs very nicely indeed!
A rifle like that deserves a good home and I'm sure it now has one, and is in good hands.

Well done mate.

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: 4seventy]
      #102578 - 16/04/08 09:26 AM

Beautiful set!
What are the toys in the toybox?
I don't recognize everything.
MacNaughton360

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: MacNaughton360]
      #102580 - 16/04/08 09:53 AM

Capt, you did it again. Remember, when this one needs a home like the other, you know where to call. I promise to tuck it in each night and give it love and affection. Dave

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: CptCurl]
      #102589 - 16/04/08 12:15 PM

Isn't that a little cutie pie, very niiiice!

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: CptCurl]
      #102941 - 20/04/08 12:22 AM

Gosh, Cpt Curl, you are a man of impeccable taste and luck! That is an absolutely beautiful rifle!

Simply fantastic and thanks for sharing.

Very good hunting to you!

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: CptCurl]
      #103014 - 21/04/08 12:28 AM

Jones screw-action, backaction hammer..way to go here.

Hey Cpt!

Please read jack Lotts articals from Gun Digest 1979 and 1985. Its a most.

Thanks for sharing

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: rigbymauser]
      #103085 - 21/04/08 10:37 PM

Curl:
Regarding year of manufacture, my Alex Henry 20/.577 ULH DR (SN #5514) was finished on the 6th of November 1882. The only other AH .577 I have seen (also a 20/.577!) is SN #5860 which was finished in September 1885. It would seem likely that yours is very late 1880s or even into the '90s if the SNs were sequential. Do let us know if you send off for the journal extract.

BTW, both those rifles are very similar to yours, especially #5860 which left Australia in March 2001 and is now owned by Frank Findlow in the US. #5514 is a slightly higher grade, judging by the fully scroll-engraved sight-leaves and a few other minor details, but is rather down in condition compared with the other two (especially yours!).

Re-read the article on #5860 by Frank Findlow in the Summer 2005 Double Gun Journal while your shoulder readies itself for action!

"A Scottish Enigma: Alexander Henry's 20/.577 Express"

Apart from the slightly different chambering, it's your gun, mate!

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: Marrakai]
      #103152 - 22/04/08 11:04 AM

I would like to know how this piece of art really shoots. Would you use regular BP or Pyrodex? How do you clean the bores? I am almost tempted to buy a nice BP DR if I cannot own an English NE DR.

Thanks for the info.

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: Marrakai]
      #103158 - 22/04/08 11:34 AM

Marrakai,

I just re-read the Findlow article you mentioned. Thanks for reminding me of that article.

The Henry rifles are fascinating. It would be a real treat if you would photograph yours and put it on display here at NE.com.

Best,
Curl

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: CptCurl]
      #103630 - 27/04/08 03:15 AM

First two cartridges.

Try-out load:

65.0 grains IMR4198
Three .375" 24 gauge felt wads
570 grain paper patched lead bullet cast from original mould
WLR primer
Bertram .577 3" brass trimmed to 2.75"




Curl

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: CptCurl]
      #103662 - 27/04/08 10:34 AM

Looks great Curl!

Hopefully you'll have a target similar to the one in my sig line to show us once you're ready to shoot the new rifle!



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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: CptCurl]
      #103681 - 27/04/08 12:41 PM

Quote:

First two cartridges.

Try-out load:

65.0 grains IMR4198
Three .375" 24 gauge felt wads
570 grain paper patched lead bullet cast from original mould
WLR primer
Bertram .577 3" brass trimmed to 2.75"




Curl



CaptCurl, is this a Nitro for black load? I would be really keen to see what you achieve. I might have to settle for a Black Powder DR, in which case a 500 sounds great.

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: Nakihunter]
      #103721 - 28/04/08 02:37 AM

Range Report - April 26, 2008:

Loading these first cartridges for my rifle really got my emotions rolling. When I loaded them I didn't intend to shoot them right away, and thought I would let my poor shoulder heal a couple more weeks. But holding those rounds in my hand was magnetism I couldn't resist. I got my courage up, and off to the range I went.

Ross Seyfried stated the formula for substituting IMR4198 for black powder. His rule is 40% to 46% of the weight of the original black powder charge. The chart of Eley ballistics reproduced in the back of Graeme Wright's book shows the .577 2 3/4" round loaded with 160 grains of black powder behind a 520 grain bullet yielded 1725 fps at 10 tons pressure. My bullet is a tad heavier.

40% of 160 would be 64 grains of IMR4198. 46% would be 73.6 grains. Those should be the approximate limits of loads using IMR4198, although I'm mindful of my heavier bullet. Thus I decided on my try-out load of 65 grains.

I anticipated this load would be on the light side. My prediction to myself was that the barrel groups would be spread apart 4 to 5 inches, and as it turned out my prediction was just about spot on.

I fired four rounds - two rights and two lefts at 50 yards. The result was two nice groups spread 4 inches apart and punching the target just to the right and just to the left of the base of the bullseye. Obviously the rifle is asking for a bit more horsepower. Not bad results for the first try!

The shoulder? That's another matter. A trying experience by any measure. Let's put it this way: There was no damage done, but I'm not running out to the range this afternoon to try 66, 67, 68, 69, and 70 grain loads as I would under normal circumstances. Maybe next week.

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: Nakihunter]
      #103724 - 28/04/08 02:48 AM

Nakihunter,

Yes, this is nitro-for-black loading. I am substituting IMR4198 with appropriate wads, for the original black powder charge. The object is to duplicate the exterior ballistics of the original load, thus achieving proper regulation, with the use of smokeless (nitro) powder.

Done properly, it is documented that the nitro-for-black loading results in substantially less internal pressure. Graeme Wright does not report pressure tests for the .577 2 3/4" BPE. However, his pressure tests on the .577 3" BPE demonstrated that he could duplicate the ballistics of the original nitro-for-black factory load (pressure of 10 tons) at only 7.8 tons pressure using Varget and 8.9 tons using H4198.

Curl

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Re: Alexander Henry .577 2 3/4" BPE [Re: CptCurl]
      #103727 - 28/04/08 03:15 AM

Oh how frustrating! I hope that shoulder gets back to normal soon. Positive thinking! At least you have a great project to help with that...

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