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Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe??
      #102326 - 12/04/08 10:40 PM

What do forum members think of sideplates on a boxlock??

Just hubcaps on a rifle or attractive addition??

Sidelock wannabes??

Your opinions? This is a Chapuis 470--


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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #102328 - 12/04/08 10:44 PM

As a canvas for an engraver? Works fine, no messy pins. Other than that, they are 'falsies' (now there is an expression from an old fart, long obsolete in this age of implants.) Dave

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: dnovo]
      #102331 - 12/04/08 10:48 PM

I don't care for them. I think a boxlock can be made attractive in its own right.

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: CptCurl]
      #102342 - 13/04/08 01:13 AM

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I don't care for them. I think a boxlock can be made attractive in its own right.

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My opinion as well. Also some of the wannabe implication.

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: JPK]
      #102364 - 13/04/08 07:32 AM

I wouldnt pay fore a engraving on a sideplate, just buy a sidelock and get it hottet up or by a boxlock and ceep it clean and decent. There are no shortcutts only sellers who tryes pushing them.
But it looks nicer than any of my rifles.

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: 450_366]
      #102372 - 13/04/08 10:35 AM

I have to admit that is a nicer job than most you see. I have seen too many C&H with 'falsies' to ever convert but that is a nice job.

Personally I want the rifle to be what it is and not try to be something it isn't.

Nothing wrong with a top notch boxlock, in fact they can be every bit as nice looking.

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: mickey]
      #102388 - 13/04/08 04:30 PM

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Personally I want the rifle to be what it is and not try to be something it isn't.





That's my way of thinking too. A boxlock should look like a boxlock, and not a wannabe sidelock...

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: EricD]
      #102394 - 13/04/08 07:07 PM

I even get a bit annoyed by 'fancy-back' scalloped actions (although they can look good I must admit), and don't particularly like the look of checkered sunken side-panels either, given the choice.

Elegant simplicity has a certain charm!



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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: Marrakai]
      #102395 - 13/04/08 07:20 PM

I tend to agree - I have no problem with boxlock or sidelocks. Each have their own charms.
Nevertheless I must admit that I am rather tempted by the Beretta 687EELL (sideplate boxlock O/U) 28bore... Unfortunately their version of a double trigger arrangement has one directly behind the other, not offset, and I haven't made up my mind about that yet!

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #102411 - 14/04/08 12:33 AM

Jabalihunter,

Regarding the triggers, I'm betting that you can easily have them bent to suit your preference. As a lefty, I have triggers on right handed guns bent and twisted regularly. Not an expensive job either.

JPK

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #102416 - 14/04/08 03:28 AM

I prefer that a boxlock be left as it was intended to look. Sideplates make it look like something it wasn't meant to be, I just cant get used to them. The classic boxlock is always preferred over a sideplate version in the marketplace as well.

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: ]
      #102435 - 14/04/08 08:38 AM

My favorite double rifle is a Boxlock, and I'd rather have a fine boxlock than an equally fine sidelock. That's simply a presonal preference.

The side plates do have some thing to reccomend them! One, of course is they are a real nice place for some good engraver to do his thing, but that is only bling! The fact is the side plates have a practical purpose as well! The side plates actually re-enforce the very weakest point on the butt stock, the wrist area. I think they are a little more than a "Want-to-be" bling, but of course a plateless boxlock is just as pleasing to the eye, IMO. I don't see the side plates as elitist at all, however! If they look good on a real side lock, they also look good on a boxlock! I care far more how the rifle shoots, and holds up than what it looks like!

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #102790 - 18/04/08 11:13 PM

I think they can make some guns look pretty sharp !

This is plated Siace boxlock



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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: Sarg]
      #103269 - 23/04/08 09:09 AM

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I think they can make some guns look pretty sharp !

This is plated Siace boxlock





Dang Sarg, that is a nice looking sodeplate rifle, but it seems to be broken! Someone broke off one of the triggers!

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #103271 - 23/04/08 09:29 AM

As I said at the beginning of this thread, as a platform for the engraver's art, they are fine. (And this example is very, very nice.) But they are 'falsies' and as I concept, I say just say no. Dave

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: dnovo]
      #103273 - 23/04/08 10:30 AM

A boxlock which supposedly has the advantage of a stronger stock than a sidelock loses some of that advantage with the addition of sideplates. I would skip the sideplates (except in a used rifle, in which case I would take whatever happens to be available).

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: 500grains]
      #103275 - 23/04/08 10:57 AM

I actually prefer the look of boxlock guns over sidelocks. I especially dislike the Rigby shape of sidelock. I like case colored recievers, but have a question, has anyone ever seen Bulino on a cased reciever? I can't visulize how it would look.

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: zimhunter]
      #103277 - 23/04/08 11:13 AM

The Bulino I have seen would be
hidden in the camouflage of the
colors.

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: k80]
      #103278 - 23/04/08 11:39 AM

That's what I suspect. Just have never seen any so someone must have tried it and come to that conclusion.

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: ]
      #103299 - 23/04/08 03:37 PM

Of course some side plates in addition to supplying additional canvas for the engraver can house functional items such as and inspection port for your SST





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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: gatsby]
      #103314 - 23/04/08 10:21 PM

Now THAT'S interesting. What the heck is it? Dave

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: gatsby]
      #103322 - 23/04/08 11:57 PM

Niiiice Westley! As usual your taste in guns is outstanding!

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: gatsby]
      #103698 - 27/04/08 03:47 PM

Quote:

By Gatsby:



...and by dnovo, "...what the heck is it?"

BFJ's answer:

"Thinking OUTSIDE the BOX {LOCK}"

of course.
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And for the record, I will say that without question

I LOVE the look of the scalloped back box locks.

Trevor at www.ttproctor.com told be the scalloping

is NOT just for looks, it "keys" the stock in place too.

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Re: Double Sideplates-Attractive vs Sidelock Wannabe?? [Re: 500grains]
      #103714 - 28/04/08 12:31 AM

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A boxlock which supposedly has the advantage of a stronger stock than a sidelock loses some of that advantage with the addition of sideplates. I would skip the sideplates (except in a used rifle, in which case I would take whatever happens to be available).



Actually it gains strength with decorative side plates. When the stock is fitted with real side locks, a great deal of wood is removed for the moveing parts of the lock, so the stock in that area is honeycomed with empty air pockets. The decrative side plates, however, only the wood necessary to inlet the plate is removed. Then one hole drilled though for the bolt that holds the "STEEL" plates against the wood, like a vice, with no hollow places under it. The only wood removed is replaced by solid steel with the false side plates.

I too like the looks of a finely made boxlock double, but the side plates are a nice touch as well, and not only enhances the box loxk, but IMO, makes the boxlock even stronger yet!

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