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More trouble for Zim
      #101153 - 02/04/08 04:45 AM

From the AP this morning..


HARARE (AFP) - Zimbabwe's elections commission tried to calm growing disquiet Tuesday at the delay in announcing results from the country's presidential election amid warnings the country could lurch into anarchy.
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While a trickle of results from a simultaneous parliamentary contest gave the opposition a slight lead over President Robert Mugabe's ruling party, there was still no word on the presidential election three days after polls closed.

A European diplomatic source meanwhile said it was understood talks had already begun between some of Mugabe's aides and the opposition although it was not clear the negotiations were sanctioned by Mugabe.

Desperate for an end to the logjam, prominent civic organisations petitioned African diplomats to use their influence to force authorities to start releasing figures.

But the election commission insisted more time was needed.

"We would like to urge the nation to remain patient as we go through this meticulous verification process," chief elections officer Lovemore Sekeramayi said in a statement.

So far the commission has announced the results of 140 of the 210 parliamentary seats, with the opposition Movement for Democratic Change on 72, slightly ahead of Mugabe's ZANU-PF with 68.

The release of a further batch of parliamentary results did not manage to deflect the growing frustration over the delay to the main presidential contest which the MDC believes its leader Morgan Tsvangirai has won.

With the European Union and US having accused Mugabe of rigging his 2002 re-election, no Western observers were allowed to oversee Saturday's ballot.

But Western governments have been closely watching from afar and the first call for Mugabe to quit emanated from Europe.

Slovenian Foreign Minister Dimitrij Rupel, whose country holds the revolving presidency of the European Union, told journalists Mugabe must step down.

"I hope he is on his way out, most Europeans think this way," Rupel said.

The US government, which has described Zimbabwe as an outpost of tyranny, meanwhile urged the count to be speeded up.

"Delays in the release of the results are troubling, certainly given all the problems that we noted prior to the election," said State Department deputy spokesman Tom Casey.

Monitoring of the vote was largely left in the hands of African organisations such as a mission from the Southern African Development Community (SADC), which gave it a largely clean bill of health.

In a petition to SADC and the African Union, a coalition of 18 rights organisations expressed suspicion the delay was being used as cover to fix the outcome.

"We... have found it necessary to send this urgent petition to your excellencies in order to save our country from potentially sinking into complete anarchy if election results are manipulated," the petition said.

"We as civil society are concerned by the failure to announce the results timeously. This creates a founded suspicion in the minds of Zimbabweans that the authorities are trying to manipulate the results."

Based on its own calculations, the MDC is confident it has won both the presidential and parliamentary contest.

However an independent network which deployed some 8,000 local election observers has projected Tsvangirai will fall just short of the votes needed to deliver a knock-out blow to Mugabe and that a second round may be needed later this month.

Tsvangirai has not been seen since voting day when he accused authorities of widespread vote-rigging.

His spokesman George Sibotshiwe said there was nothing sinister in his absence, adding he was "happy and well."

Sibotshiwe also denied reports that MDC and ZANU-PF officials were already in talks to ensure a smooth handover of power.

However a European diplomatic source said he understood that talks had begun taking place on Monday between Tsvangirai's aides and close advisors to the president, including senior figures in the police and army.

"What one has to ask is to what extent is this being sanctioned by Mugabe. If they are going behind his back, one cannot exclude a brutal reaction by the regime," the source told AFP.

"If he is the instigator of these negotiations then the negotiations are credible and they would allow a smooth exit."

There has been no significant violence so far in the elections.

Zimbabwe is grappling with an inflation rate of over 100,000 percent and widespread shortages of even basic foodstuffs such as bread and cooking oil.


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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: ]
      #101375 - 03/04/08 12:49 PM

Mugabe will only go voluntarily when hell freezes over. No doubt about it.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: NitroX]
      #101383 - 03/04/08 01:05 PM

Perhaps, however the ice is melting right under his feet as we speak..

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      #101389 - 03/04/08 01:22 PM

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Perhaps, however the ice is melting right under his feet as we speak..




Hopefully with a blow torch.


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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: NitroX]
      #101392 - 03/04/08 02:01 PM

Time to count votes my ass!
More like time to distribute machetes and count AK47s...
This probably will not be pretty.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: Huvius]
      #101421 - 03/04/08 07:27 PM

PLEASE let this whole nightmare be over....

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #101491 - 04/04/08 08:42 AM

Jabali

Is there any one in Britain that is taking the blame for this mess? Anyone saying "Maybe we goofed".

No one in the US is saying this, although they certainly should be.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: mickey]
      #101494 - 04/04/08 09:00 AM

Everyone is too busy searching for oil and heroin in the Middle East right now

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: mickey]
      #101502 - 04/04/08 10:40 AM

I am sorry, Britain goofed how exactly ?

If we are expected to interfear in the internal politics of all former colonies then perhaps we should just decide to govern America again?

UDI was 43 years ago. Indipendence 29 years ago.

Britain cannot interfear in the politics of an African country without being accused of colonialism or racism, both from abroad and our own blacks. IMHO fuck 'em.

The only thing for which we may be caupable is in electing that spineless puppet of the trades unions Wilson, who allowed himself to be suckered by the Canadian President, into the no minority rule clause to independence negotiatons with Smith that led to UDI.

If any organization is to blame, it is the farcical and ill named "United Nations" with resolutions 216 and 217.
Without them Rhodesia would have been able to combat the radical forces which used tactics that are no different from the people that we now brand "terrorists" and spend time combing the world for.


I don't expect this Tsvangirai to be any different from Mugabe once he has his feet under the table and political favours to repay. It is the way of Africa " To the victor the spoils" long before the white man set foot upon the land.
The only people that I have any sympathy for in this situation are the white farmers and business people that are being murdered and having their property stolen.

The only damm thing that will sort this mess out is AIDS and civil war. The longer the west pours money into third world countries then the longer this shit will go on as there is money to be syphoned off into the Swiss bank accounts of the ruling elite. The sooner the population is reduced by 70% the better off they will be.
If, that is, we could get away that is from this rediculous notion of "human rights", which is only in any event, facile claptrap that politicians spout to smokescreen their money and power grabbing scheming.
The only reason that "democracy" works in the west is that most of the scum never bother to vote, god help us if they do, look at the government we have had in the UK for the last 10 years., our economy is now on its knees and we are having our freedoms attacked every day. The same will happen in the US if the lazy 50% ever get their act together and vote, every working man will be ruined paying for social security and welfare housing for the idle. Just as we are here.

The lot of the common man is worse now under majority rule than it ever was under white rule. All democracy got for the common man in Africa was empty bellies and constant violence.

Much like Iraq realy


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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: Bramble]
      #101521 - 04/04/08 12:58 PM

I believe he is refering to Britain's, along with the US's (under week sister, President Carter) pressuring South Africa to cut off arms and ammunition, primarily ammunition, suppilies to Rodesia under Ian Smith.

Now, in retrospect it was clearly a mistake.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: ]
      #101522 - 04/04/08 12:58 PM

From The Times
April 4, 2008
Zimbabwe: the backlash begins as paramilitaries launch raids

Catherine Philp and Jan Raath in Harare

The ebbing regime of President Mugabe began its fightback in earnest tonight, launching raids against an opposition office and foreign journalists in what many feared was the start of a campaign of violence.

Paramilitary police raided opposition offices at a hotel in central Harare, ransacking rooms as riot police moved in to arrest foreign journalists at a guest house in the capital.

Diplomats said that as many as four journalists were arrested, including a reporter from the New York Times and one Briton.


The moves, described by opposition leaders as the beginnings of a “crackdown”, came after a day in which the besieged octogenarian leader appeared in public for the first time since the polls in which he was defeated by his challenger, Morgan Tsvangirai.

Expectation has been mounting in the past 48 hours that, having considered concession, Mr Mugabe was planning to fight on in a run-off against his challenger.

Speculation mounted after Mr Mugabe was shown on state television today meeting African Union election observers – his first public appearance since the close of polls.

Ruling party officials subsequently announced that he would hold a critical politburo meeting today to plot his next move. State media, the ruling Zanu (PF) party and even — according to some — the President himself have conceded that he lost the race to Mr Tsvangirai, but maintain that the challenger failed to secure an absolute majority.

But the Government insisted today that Mr Mugabe was in no mood for surrender and was gearing up to fight on. Fears that the stricken leader might yet resort to violence peaked as news of the raids seeped out tonight to Harare’s diplomatic community.

Earlier in the day a senior government spokesman said that the party was preparing to invoke “energy” it had not tapped during the previous election. “Zanu (PF) is ready for a run-off, we are ready for a resulting victory,” Bright Matonga, the Deputy Information Minister, said.

“In terms of strategy, we only applied 25 per cent of our energy into this campaign,” he added, but the run-off would be different. “That is when we are going to unleash the other 75 per cent that we did not apply in the first case.” Unconfirmed reports were circulating among the diplomatic community about an alleged Mugabe military plot to extend the three-week run-up to the second round to three months, and to use the time to shut down the provisions in the election law that help to thwart poll-rigging attempts.

Key among them is the precedent of publicly posting each polling station’s results on its walls — a move that allowed the opposition Movement for Democratic Change, as well as independent observers, to collect the figures and release them in a preemptive strike against poll fixing.

But well-placed sources were adamant that any such attempts to manipulate the process would fail, even if they were unprepared to rule out some last desperate, and even violent, attempt to cling to power.

“Mugabe is a villain of the first order,” one source told The Times. “He is desperate to stay in power and the sting may be in the tail.”

Zimbabwe’s African neighbours are the only countries with any significant influence over Mr Mugabe’s regime but they have thus far failed to intervene in any significant way. Today’s television appearance came after Mr Mugabe met an African election observer team led by Ahmad Tejah Kabbah, the former Sierra Leonean President. Mr Kabbah has also met Mr Tsvangirai, who claims victory in the election with 50.3 per cent of the vote, but who had vowed to contest a run-off if official election results award him less than 50 percent.

Rumours have swirled around Harare in the six days since the election, amid the absence of information. Zimbabweans, drained by the fatigue of economic collapse, have displayed epic patience in their wait for results. The slow drip-drip of parliamentary results has held people’s focus as they listen to radios, keeping their own running tallies of the score.

But today the information vacuum yawned open again in the absence of the expected senatorial results, the precursor to the presidential tally expected by the end of play on Friday. The delay, blamed on logistical problems, again heightened fears that results were being manipulated and that the regime was buying itself time to concoct extreme measures to shore up Mr Mugabe ahead of a run-off.

“We will stay patient because we must,” said Blessing, a street vendor in the Harare slums of Mbare. “But it is frustrating.” News of Zanu (PF)’s loss of its parliamentary majority boosted morale, but only led to further questions over the delay in the release of presidential results.

The grinding logistics of every day life under Zimbabwe’s collapsing economy have kept many distracted from their fears of worst-case scenarios.

Today, as every other day, huge queues formed outside a bakery from morning as people stood in line clutching bundles of cash, hopeful that there would be food to buy. More than 40 people were still queueing when, at lunchtime, the bread ran out.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3678392.ece

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: BFaucett]
      #101529 - 04/04/08 01:13 PM

Its just a damn shame the whole thing is a complete mess.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: Bramble]
      #101546 - 04/04/08 03:22 PM

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I am sorry, Britain goofed how exactly ?





Britain supported Mugabe against the UDI (Unilaterally Declared Independence) Government of Ian Smith.

Along with many other stupid gov'ts in USA and Australia for example.

The writing has always been pretty much on wall what Mugabe has always been and would be.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: Bramble]
      #101559 - 04/04/08 09:54 PM

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I don't expect this Tsvangirai to be any different from Mugabe once he has his feet under the table and political favours to repay.




I think that you may well be right. He has been accused of all sorts of things, but has the support of the 'Anyone But Mugabve' crowd in the West right now.

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The only people that I have any sympathy for in this situation are the white farmers and business people that are being murdered and having their property stolen.



Definitely, but lets not forget that there are/were plenty of peace loving regular folks there too that used to have stable jobs, access to medical care and education, and above all FOOD, who worked on those farms and who just want the whole sorry mess to be over too.

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The only damm thing that will sort this mess out is AIDS and civil war. The longer the west pours money into third world countries then the longer this shit will go on as there is money to be syphoned off into the Swiss bank accounts of the ruling elite. The sooner the population is reduced by 70% the better off they will be.



That applies all over the developed world too. Malthus would agree!


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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: Bramble]
      #101568 - 04/04/08 11:26 PM

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I don't expect this Tsvangirai to be any different from Mugabe once he has his feet under the table and political favours to repay. It is the way of Africa " To the victor the spoils" long before the white man set foot upon the land.
The only people that I have any sympathy for in this situation are the white farmers and business people that are being murdered and having their property stolen.




Exactly! Exerpt from an article today:

"By ANGUS SHAW, Associated Press Writer
On Thursday, Tsvangirai tried to reassure security chiefs who vowed a week ago not to serve anyone but Mugabe, according to a person close to the opposition leader. But a meeting with seven generals was canceled when the officers said that they had been ordered not to attend, the person said.

The man, who requested anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity, gave The Associated Press a copy of a letter signed by Tsvangirai that promises generous retirement packages for those unwilling to serve in a MDC government. It also promises not to take back farms given to officers under Mugabe's land reform program, except in cases in which an officer got several farms or if land was being neglected. "


Sure to be more of the same regardless of who is in charge.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: NitroX]
      #101582 - 05/04/08 01:06 AM


Good source for Zim news:

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/Home

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: BFaucett]
      #101590 - 05/04/08 03:01 AM

JH

You are quite correct I should have added "and their loyal retinue"

NitroX

I did write

"The only thing for which we may be caupable is in electing that spineless puppet of the trades unions Wilson, who allowed himself to be suckered by the Canadian President, into the no minority rule clause to independence negotiatons with Smith that led to UDI."

The questioner had said "This mess"

I quite agree that The Wilson government were a shower of shit, however given their politics we were fortunate that Britain itself was not handed over to the USSR as was.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: Bramble]
      #101873 - 07/04/08 10:00 AM

I hear there has been some recent farm acquisitions as of late by the controlling government body. I can't imagine things getting much worse there, but hey anything can happen and does in Zim under the finger of this prick!

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      #102036 - 09/04/08 12:43 PM

How is the food situation in Harare now? Is the UN bringing in food routinely? Enough people without food for a couple of days, and things could be much grimmer.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: SGraves155]
      #102063 - 10/04/08 12:03 AM

I am scheduled to leave for Harare on April 27. Yesterday I exchanged emails with the PH and he reports nothing unussual. Perhaps a few more police on the streets in Harare but not a dramatic change. He just drove from the Save Conservancy in the SE Lowvelt to Harare and there were police check points along the way but they were waved through and not required to stop.

There were check points in Sept and Oct '06 last I was there and we were mostly waived through then too, when required to stop it was polite and prefunctory.

When we leave for Nyakasanga, we plan to drive, but if things deteriorate I may fly in to camp. I've asked the PH if he would like to take his wife along so that if things go south while we are hunting she is safely out of Harare. They are a young couple and do not yet have kids.

Plan B if things go south is to exit to Zambia by hunting truck. Plan C to exit to Zambia by boat.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: JPK]
      #102066 - 10/04/08 12:25 AM

My opinion:

Hunt in Africa while you can and where you can. Ultimately every African country will fuck itself over every few years.

If you have the opportunity to hunt somewhere and don't make use of it, then sure as hell one day you will have missed out possibly permanently.

When Zimbabwe becomes more stable expect safari prices to sky rocket.

One reason I hunted elephants late in 2006 while the prices have been reasonable.

Being an optimist I hope to always have more opportunities even with a more limited budget.

Hunt today, because tomorrow the blacks, the greenies, the watermellons (green on outside, red on the inside), do gooders, airlines or someone else might stuff it all up for us.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: NitroX]
      #102107 - 10/04/08 10:49 AM

Nitrox,

Just love this line of yours, "the watermellons (green on outside, red on the inside)," I will have to use it again, with attribution of course!

Yes, I think you are correct, hunt while you can. Have a Plan B and C but hunt.

Prices for elephants and buff will sky-rocket if Zim does come apart, and Zim prices will sky-rocket if it doesn't. End result, prices in general will sky-rocket, especially elephant.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: JPK]
      #102129 - 10/04/08 08:52 PM

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Nitrox,

, "the watermellons (green on outside, red on the inside)," I will have to use it again, with attribution of course!




I didn't invent but am glad to take the credit.

Use it as much as you can. Sums up many modern "greens" since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: NitroX]
      #102131 - 10/04/08 10:29 PM

i thought the prices allready have skyrocketed!

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: rscott]
      #102433 - 14/04/08 08:23 AM

I just returned from Botswana yesterday (Cape Buffalo with a 458 Lott. Worked as advertised.). What I heard from Zim was all bad. Their government is now printing $5,000,000 bills. One will buy a cup of coffee! The South African white populace is worried that SA will go the way of Zim. The place in SA I stayed, Afton House, has electric fences surrounding fully-alarmed buildings. Service in restaurants in the Kempton area (a nice one) was very slow - 2 hours for lunch service. Two relatives of the Afton house owners were killed last week when their bus hit a pot hole. Pothole? It was so big and deep that the bus rolled over and was crushed. The streets are not being repaired.

One man from Zim stated that the average life expectancy for a black male in Zim was 34 years, down one year since 2006. Aids is rampant; farms are in ruin, no food, fuel, jobs, and crime is wild. Mugabwe is worth an estimated 100 billion dollars and is 84+.

as NitroX says, hunt NOW, don't wait 'cause it might be all gone.


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