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Grenadier
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Looking for Single Shot Scope Mount Recommendation
      #100075 - 23/03/08 03:25 PM

With the vast pool of knowledge on this forum I am hoping to get some help. I am having a falling block single shot rifle built in 300 mag. The rear sight block will be long, i.e. quarter rib where I come from. I want to use a detachable scope but I don't want to alter the look of the sight rib any more than I have to. I am not interested in round buttons extending along the sides of the sight rib. Neither do I want protrusions or hooks sticking up when the scope is removed. I don't care if it looks a little odd when the scope is mounted but I want it to be as invisible as can be when the scope is removed. I am willing to pay for sturdy, high quality, mounts and rings. Any recommendations for a good detachable scope mounting system that can do a good job of this?

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Re: Looking for Single Shot Scope Mount Recommendation [Re: Grenadier]
      #100232 - 25/03/08 09:45 AM

If You are talking abaout a Ruger No.1 I can recommend a EAW swing mount that is speciallly designed for Ruger rifles. I have it on my Ruger Magnum but it should also work for No.1 rifles. There is only the front base needed to be put on the quarter rib, the rear part engages in the original Ruger rib. It holds zero very well but I wish it would be a little bit lower, I like the scope mounted as low as possible.
The most stylish but also the most expensive type of scope mount is still the Suhler claw mount, but only real master gunsmiths are capable of mastering this difficult precision work. And that means a premium bill !
If You have a custom rifle either EAW or Recknagel will sell You swing mounts that can be tailored to all measurements, if You like that type of mount.

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Re: Looking for Single Shot Scope Mount Recommendation [Re: Grenadier]
      #100240 - 25/03/08 10:36 AM

You could always notch the quarter rib, and use Warne quick detachable rings to attach the optics. It works very well, and is very cost effective.

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CHAPUISARMES
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Re: Looking for Single Shot Scope Mount Recommendation [Re: ]
      #100247 - 25/03/08 11:35 AM

I would go with either "Recknagel" or "EAW" as they have a vast selection....

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JabaliHunter
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Re: Looking for Single Shot Scope Mount Recommendation [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #100275 - 25/03/08 09:33 PM

Why don't you have a barrel made that has an integral 1/4 rib and scope bases? Although not a single shot, take a look at the integral EAW mount machined into the rear square bridge of the Johannsen Mauser 98 actions www.johannsen-jagd.de . It may also be possible to have an integral front pivot base.

As Sinner mentioned above, if you don't want any protrusions on the rib when when the scope is removed, then the rib could be machined with ruger style "slots" which would enable the use of a number of different rings, such as Leupold's. However, the scope may not automatically return to zero when re-mounted.

Why don't you talk to Martini and Hagn? They will advise on integral options for single shot barrels.

Edited by JabaliHunter (25/03/08 09:39 PM)

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Re: Looking for Single Shot Scope Mount Recommendation [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #100303 - 26/03/08 03:46 AM

Thanks for the input.

Johannsen - Nice. Looks like a strong mount but it might be difficult to adapt for the 1/4 rib.

EAW - I have a few rifles with the swing mounts and I like them. But those blocks would stick out beyond the sides of the rib. Also, the EAWs I have now are very difficult to clean internally and tend to rust between the mounts and the gun. I'll look into the Ruger adaption. If the rib can be milled for the Ruger setup then the EAW for Ruger mounts might be a nice arrangement. Anyone have experience with the EAW rolloff mounts? Perhaps the rib can be milled for these.

Suhler claw mount - Great mounts but I am worried about rust getting where I cannot reach it. If these are soldered on then it becomes less of a concern. They would still extend beyond the sides of the rib but they do have some nice lines.

Recknagel - also look nice but I have the same concerns.

I am hoping I can find a mount that doesn't require leaving anything behind when the scope is removed. That way I won't have to worry about rusting between the mounts and the gun - I will be in the rain. If something can be milled into, onto, or along the sight rib then I can clean and oil it completely when the scope is removed. Ruger No. 1 mounts work like that but Ruger's rings aren't the best and I don't know if milling out the rib for Ruger rings is practicable.

Thanks again
Grennadier

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Re: Looking for Single Shot Scope Mount Recommendation [Re: Grenadier]
      #100318 - 26/03/08 05:14 AM

Quote:

I am hoping I can find a mount that doesn't require leaving anything behind when the scope is removed. If something can be milled into, onto, or along the sight rib then I can clean and oil it completely when the scope is removed. Ruger No. 1 mounts work like that but Ruger's rings aren't the best and I don't know if milling out the rib for Ruger rings is practicable.


Take a look at the photos in this article http://www.martiniandhagngunmakers.com/technicalinfo.htm It shows Talley detachable scope rings mounted into slots milled into the 1/4 rib. However, I can't tell if the rib is integral (i.e. the barrel blank was milled to leave the rib), but I suspect so. Its the neatest I have seen ...
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Edited by JabaliHunter (26/03/08 05:30 AM)

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Re: Looking for Single Shot Scope Mount Recommendation [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #100575 - 28/03/08 03:33 AM

You merely have to mill the sides of the rib for Ruger rings and mill recess in top of rib for recoil lug on bottom of Ruger ring. Rib is perfectly nice in appearance and it works perfectly. I have done it on one quarter rib on a 375 I didn't wish to alter the bolt handle to low scope so adapted to scout scope. I also replaced the blocks in the Chapuis double I had with sections cut from a Ruger rib for the same effect but allowing return to original configuration. Should be much cheaper than ANY mount such as an ERA.

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Re: Looking for Single Shot Scope Mount Recommendation [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #100909 - 31/03/08 04:12 AM

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Take a look at the photos in this article http://www.martiniandhagngunmakers.com/technicalinfo.htm It shows Talley detachable scope rings mounted into slots milled into the 1/4 rib. However, I can't tell if the rib is integral (i.e. the barrel blank was milled to leave the rib), but I suspect so. Its the neatest I have seen ...
Best



That is just the sort of thing I am looking for. My rifle will also be built using the Hagn action but it will have a round barrel and the rib will not be an integral rib. I have emailed the maker asking them to mill the rib for Talley type quick removable rings.

The Ruger system would also work but I think the Talley system looks cleaner.

I'll let you know how the rifle turns out. If things proceed well then I'll be going overseas next year to pick it up.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTIONS.

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JabaliHunter
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Re: Looking for Single Shot Scope Mount Recommendation [Re: Grenadier]
      #100935 - 31/03/08 09:07 AM

I would love to see how that rifle works out as I would really like one of their rifles/actions. Who is building it for you?

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CHAPUISARMES
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Re: Looking for Single Shot Scope Mount Recommendation [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #100964 - 31/03/08 01:26 PM

Hi JabaliHunter ,

That is a great site, I have locked it into my "Favorites" for later reference. I also agrre with you suggestions.

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