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IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG
      #99835 - 21/03/08 08:29 AM

yes im going to southafrica in aug. on my first safari.

i won a competition over on AR and that pushed my plans of hunting africa in the future up in real time.

i will go with infinito safaries after PG, so now it is my time to ask real stupid questions , that all you oldtimers have allready answered a million times.

i will keep you informed as i progress down the line.

best regards

peter

Edited by peter (21/03/08 08:30 AM)

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: peter]
      #99839 - 21/03/08 09:49 AM

Congratulations Peter. What rifles are you planning on taking? I wish I could do a trip like that. Good luck.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: Nakihunter]
      #99857 - 21/03/08 11:14 AM

Gratulasjon!!

Where in SA will you be hunting?

Delightful time of year there. You will enjoy yourself!

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: 9.3x57]
      #99860 - 21/03/08 11:33 AM

WOW!!, what a prize. I wish I was going as well!
I can't wait to here more of the plans and what you will hunt and with what.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: peter]
      #99880 - 21/03/08 06:59 PM

Peter

Good luck and have fun.

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so now it is my time to ask real stupid questions



Tell us more about your safari prize and what you know about it. How many days do you get? What do extra days cost? What game animals are included? Other game that you are interested in? What region/area are you hunting? Fenced or free range?

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: NitroX]
      #99938 - 22/03/08 05:20 AM


the prize is 5 days PG at 150$ in dayfees instead of 350$, extra days at normal rate

also in the prize is a impala or a blesbuck free of charge, other animals according to price list

this is my first trip, so i will see what animals might present themself. but i will need a warthog or two, im really facinated with that animal.

i think that the 9,3x74r will get the nod, it seems like the right caliber to bring for plains game, and im fortunate enough to be abel to hunt africa with a dbl. rifle. hhmmmm the stuff that dreams are made of.

im still not sure about the area, will know later and tell you at once.

it will be free range.

im really excited about this, thankfully bramble will bring me my guns from the varius auctions wensday so i will have something to distract me while i wait.

best to you all

peter

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: peter]
      #99946 - 22/03/08 08:35 AM

Poor Peter ! I guess you will be infected by the African hunting fever, or rather You got it already ! This infection is usually uncurable and the only relief is to go back again and again. And I can tell You that hunting with a 9,3x74R double makes it even worse ! Enjoy it to the fullest ! Best wishes from an infected hunter.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: peter]
      #99953 - 22/03/08 09:48 AM

“We get three sorts and periods of enjoyment out of a hunting trip. The first is when the plans are being discussed and the outfit assembled; this is the pleasure of anticipation. The second is the enjoyment of the actual trip itself; and the third is the pleasure of retrospection when we sit round a blazing wood-fire and talk over the incidents and adventures of the trip. There is no general rule to know which of the three gives the keenest joy.”
-- Kermit Roosevelt, The Happy Hunting-Grounds, 1920.
(son of Theodore Roosevelt and companion on his father’s 1909 African safari)



Congrats Peter!! I predict that you will have a wonderful time.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: peter]
      #99954 - 22/03/08 10:15 AM

Oh no there goes Africa!

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: peter]
      #99960 - 22/03/08 11:11 AM

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i think that the 9,3x74r will get the nod, it seems like the right caliber to bring for plains game, and im fortunate enough to be abel to hunt africa with a dbl. rifle. hhmmmm the stuff that dreams are made of.



If the hunting area is a lot of bushveld a double will work well. If more open country do you have a scope for it? Otherwise a bolt action as well might be handy.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: NitroX]
      #99978 - 22/03/08 04:04 PM

August!!!! You do understand that August is the dead of winter down here.

When I came down and hunted in July 2002 we had snow. Rare and unusal. My PH who was 35 years old and lived in area all his life had seen snow up on the mountain tops before, but had never seen snow on the valley floor, we had 8 inches. We were also hunting at pretty high altitude. I would bring a set of longjohns and warm gloves. You won't need them if you have them. If you leave them home you will need them.

In talking to various PH's down here in SA they all have the same complaint. Americans tend to show up over gunned. We all have read for years in the Rags that the minumum African caliber is the .375 H&H. That is the Mantra. Most hunters who show up with the big guns have little experience with them and can't shoot them. They would be better served by showing up with their standard deer and elk rifle.

A basic South African Plains game hunt is going involve Springbok, blesbuck, impala and Kudu and maybe wildebeest or Gemsbok. They are the most common.

The impala is about the size of a Whitetail deer, not as big as a Mule deer. The kudu is the size of a cow elk. Wildebeest are about the same size as impala, body shape a bit bulkier. Gemsbok in the same size class as Kudu. The rest are smaller than the Impala.

If you shoot the 9.3 x 74R on a regular basis and can shoot it well, and if you have used it for hunting and taking deer and elk then by all means take it.

If not take your 30 cal deer rifle or .338 cal elk rifle. They will be plenty of gun. Most of the locals that I have run into down here hunting are using .308 or .303's.

I took Steenbok and Springbok with the 218 Bee in a Martini. Won't use it again on Springbok size animals.

Took wildebeest, impala and Mt Reedbuck with my .338/308

Took kudu with the .338/308 and the 577/450 Martini with lead bullets. With the Martini shoot completely through a Kudu port to starboard, aft to bow.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: NitroX]
      #99982 - 22/03/08 09:01 PM

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i think that the 9,3x74r will get the nod, it seems like the right caliber to bring for plains game, and im fortunate enough to be abel to hunt africa with a dbl. rifle. hhmmmm the stuff that dreams are made of.



If the hunting area is a lot of bushveld a double will work well. If more open country do you have a scope for it? Otherwise a bolt action as well might be handy.



john

the heutier will be scoped as soon as it arrives, i have been told that the place is the limpopo province.

they got a small flick of the camp and area, it looks like dbl rifle land to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJo30VQvSpU

thank you all for the good wishes

DD: im from denmark, i dont mind snow i just want to hunt.

best to you all

peter

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: peter]
      #99993 - 22/03/08 11:23 PM

Peter, you will love the weather in almost the entire country in August. That's the reason I mentioned it. Even on the east coast of Natal it is much cooler in the winter at night, but days are warm. In OVS it can get quite chilly at night, ditto parts of the Karoo and the mountainous areas of Natal, too. Where I lived in the Karkloof Mt's it snowed just a smidgen and hard frosts were common.

Up where it looks like you will be heading, cold won't be a problem. A Norseman like you will be stripping down near butt naked by 11:00 in the morning. I can just see you now, in loincloth and sandals while your pro is wrapped up in a parka!!

As for rifles, where I lived the locals shot .308's, .243's and .303's almost to a man. Some had never even seen a .375. Ammo for such rounds was terribly expenive even then.

As an aside, the .243 was TREMENDOUSLY popular with South Africans all throughout the country when I was there. That was 20 years ago. I wonder if it has gained even more ground now? Maybe a South African can weigh in here. There aren't too many PG critters a .243 won't kill fast, and folks there had a very practical view of shootin irons in-general.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: 9.3x57]
      #100018 - 23/03/08 03:51 AM

if you are going to Limpopo you won't need the long johns. I was in the high mountians of the western part of Eastern Cape Province.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: 9.3x57]
      #100019 - 23/03/08 03:55 AM

wouldnt that be a sight

me butt naked except hat dbl. rifle and boots, i think sinner is right, there goes africa....

i will bring the dbl rifle i shoot the best, we will just have to wait and see which one it is.

best regards

peter

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: peter]
      #100022 - 23/03/08 04:19 AM

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i will bring the dbl rifle i shoot the best



THAT is a great plan.

Keep us posted as you shoot and load, which by the way, will you handload or be shooting factory ammo?

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: 9.3x57]
      #100025 - 23/03/08 04:52 AM

hand loading for the 450/400 3" , factory fodder and handloads for the 9,3x74r

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: peter]
      #100045 - 23/03/08 10:23 AM

Classic choice. Can't wait to see and hear the report.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: DoubleD]
      #100057 - 23/03/08 01:01 PM

Wildebeest are about the same size as impala, body shape a bit bulkier.

DoubleD - I'm not trying to stir anything up here, but Blue Wildebeest are much larger than an Impala: well in excess of 350 pounds, while a male Impala will run @ 125 and a bit more. The Black Wildebeest will weight in between 200- 300 pounds. Your choices of caliber are good. A 30:06 with a well constructed premium bullet of 180 or 200 grains will take down any plains game available.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #100061 - 23/03/08 01:30 PM

Gotta be just a typo, Mike. As you say, blouwildebees are A LOT bigger than rooibok.

My bull wildebeest was about the size of a spike elk or a very big cow elk. My biggest impala isn't even close to the size of my biggest whitetail. Not even close. Impala are lightboned almost dainty critters.

Burger Cillié's "Mammals of Southern Africa" has males of the species as follows:

Impala; 103-180 lb
Black Wildebeest; +- 400 lb
Blue Wildebeest; 506-600 lb

I've never shot a blackwildebeest, but the numbers on the other two seem quite right for the ones I shot.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: 9.3x57]
      #100083 - 23/03/08 07:09 PM

The Impala we killed were all around 145 or so. That is 60 to 65 KG's is it not. That's what the scales at the Outfitter farms said when the game was hung up.

I have killed bigger whitetail and definitely larger Mulies but not on the average. I expected the Impala to be smaller than they were. I have a data base that I keep in excel on the deer we took in Montana and the Buck deer average for all male deer was right around 145 lb. The largest Oregon Blacktail I ever took weighed 145.

Now as far as weights, the African game was weighed whole while the American animals were all field dressed.

Indeed the Black Wildebeest were heavier and bulkier than the impala but they weren't bigger. They were shorter bodied but more compact for sure. Scaled at 95 to 100 kg.

The Blues we saw did looked bigger, but they weren't as big as the Kudu. I have only seen them on the hoof and not side by side with an elk. I did se a bunch that we spooked move of the flat and through stream bed and across to another open flat. The kick a kudu bull out of the stream bottom as they went tthrough...where the hell did he come for. So I saw the two in close proximatey

The Kudu definitly were cow or spike elk sized. But we weren't at the farm with the scale to weigh them.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: DoubleD]
      #100084 - 23/03/08 07:27 PM

Here's some pictures.







These are not big animals, but they are my animals!

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: peter]
      #100153 - 24/03/08 03:17 PM

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DD: im from denmark, i dont mind snow i just want to hunt.



Limpopo can be quite warm in August. First thing in the morning at dawn it will be chilly on the bakkie. A coat might be needed plus hat etc. Cool for the first walk. By mid-morning it will have warmed up and won't be carrying the coat anymore. Evenings by the campfire will be coolish, but nothing a Dane will feel coming South.

Clear nights in Southern winters can get down to frosty conditions of course given enough moisture.

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: peter]
      #100962 - 31/03/08 12:42 PM

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i won a competition over on AR



What is AR?

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Re: IM GOING TO AFRICA IN AUG [Re: Grenadier]
      #100994 - 31/03/08 08:12 PM

I would be more than comfortable with the 9.3 Double in Limpopo. I haven't hunted there, but have passed through on occasion and taken a few detours to "scout" around! From what I have seen the bush can be quite thick around there and the ranges shouldn't be too long. I bet you can't wait for that trip!

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