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Sarg
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Sauer 12 Ga Test With Slugs
#99887 - 21/03/08 08:08 PM

Well I got an old Sauer 12 Ga shotty for $ 260 to maker some thing out of ( Rifle or Slug Shooter ) & I glued some sights on with two pot glue for testing ! here are the very first 4 shots at 20 yards with some Winchester slugs I had laying around , not bad for first try & sights glued on by eye , I pulled the last shot to !

Shows promise for round balls later ?

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Re: Sauer 12 Ga Test With Slugs [Re: Sarg]
#99902 - 22/03/08 12:26 AM

Sarg, I love your posts.

You'd fit right right in here in Epoxyland!!

How about a pic of the gun, too??

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Re: Sauer 12 Ga Test With Slugs [Re: 9.3x57]
#99906 - 22/03/08 12:55 AM

Cool, Sarg! - I tried the new WW Fosters that are 1 ounce at 1,700fps from my Mosberg pump/with 2 shot magazine/clip like the bolt guns - this pump has a solid one piece walnut stock and outside fitting slide. I guess I really should take a picture of it. I had never seen one before I found it on consignment at a local gun shop. It was so odd, I thought I had to have it. Now, it's a dedicated slug/ball shooter - at least it's got sights now for testing.
: The above mentioned slugs went into a ragged hole at 25 yards. Too bad they're so soft.
; I asked Hubel, the guy with the 12 bore from Hell threads, about loads for a slug or RB with 4227 for the gun and he suggested starting at 60gr. and going from there, either way as pressure indicated. I've a few loaded for testing, but will have to wait till after Easter to test them. I think we should be able to see 1,800fps with 500gr. hard slugs. This is 300fps higher than the 7 dram Black Powder load for Africa noted in Greener's book.
: Friend Carl from Alberta sent me some Lyman 500gr. waisted 'sabot' slugs cast in WW's. They fit perfectly inside a red WW field wad.
; Sarg- you need to try these, I think. Wait on my IMR4227 tests, or use Lyman's slug data from their handloading books. I may have to add another Lyman mould to my mould flock.
; The grouping of your shots is great, a bit wider than parallel, but excellent none the less.
: Carl noted that the Lyman slugs outpenetrated the Brenneke's in his test. They have a heavy solid nose with a fairly shallow hollow base behind the waist. I am hoping they'll do as well as round balls.
: Since your gun is regulating so closely, a bit more power might either bring them in a bit closer, or spread them - can never remember how that goes. They're close right now, that's for sure. We only need to get a more deeply penetrating slug to do the same thing for you. Fosters suck big time on bone and other hard stuff.

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Re: Sauer 12 Ga Test With Slugs [Re: DarylS]
#99944 - 22/03/08 07:39 AM

Yes I think more speed or heavyer slug = recoil would bring the two barrels together,now I,d only had this for 8 hrs ,just long enought for the glue to dry before testing ! barrels are still 28in long & no recoil pad (it HAS recoil not like my 15lb 12 bore )and I think it,s a little ugly to grace these pages just yet ? Say if & when I cut the barrels down to 26 or 24in I suppose all bets are off for the grouping then ?

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Re: Sauer 12 Ga Test With Slugs [Re: Sarg]
#99998 - 23/03/08 12:06 AM

Good shooting!!
I have been thinking about how cutting barrels would affect "regulation" of a shotgun or rifle?
I think that cutting the barrels you can change the time the ball is in the barrel. So, if you cut the barrel shots would cross.
This is just a theory and there are more variables, what do you think?

Martin

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Re: Sauer 12 Ga Test With Slugs [Re: beleg2]
#100001 - 23/03/08 12:31 AM

beleg, you are on to something.

Sarg, why not commence cutting about one inch at a time, stopping only long enough to test the regulation? Lopping off too much might be permanently problematic.

Maybe if you started with a selct load, you could lop-and-shoot until the gun shot into the load?

FWIW, and somewhat off topic, but years ago I had a lot of fun with a cheap single-shot shotgun, patterning and chopping. I didn't care about final performance, and was only concerned about what I could learn along the way. I used the gun for grouse hunting and made a sling for it so I took it along while elk and deer hunting. Curiously, once the choke was removed, patterns stayed essentially the same from 28 inches all the way down to 20. Then I removed about an inch, bringing it down to 19 and the result was bizarre. Patterns with all the cheap target loads I had been using along the way not only opened up but showed dramatic clumping, making for really poor performance. I actually got rid of the thing after that.

I might add, that a 19-inch barrel, 4 lb 12 gauge gets your attention when you fire a 1 oz rifled slug thru it and even more so when you touch off a round of 3-inch Mag 00 buck! YEESH!!

Anyhow, all that to say, don't take off too much at one time. Go slow and maybe you will walk the gun right into regulation. I suspect the first or second chop will tell you if you are heading in the right direction.

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Re: Sauer 12 Ga Test With Slugs [Re: 9.3x57]
#100221 - 25/03/08 07:36 AM

Hey thanks you guys I will try that idea ,I will get a powerfull round ball load & work on the barrel shortening ,right now the chokes look like extra full also looks like the end of the barrels have been slightly regulated ,when I remove the chokes I hope it still shoots like this (or better) good input guys !

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Re: Sauer 12 Ga Test With Slugs [Re: Sarg]
#108553 - 30/06/08 12:03 PM

Sarg, I'm afraid that if you cut this gun off, you will never get it back to shooting as good as this. The Lyman slugs do very well in rifled barrels but I don't know about smooth bored barrels.
If you do cut it back, it will most likely cross the shots alot sooner. Bob H.

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