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I have no experience with the 450-400.
For those of you that do how would you
describe its best use. If the 470 is a
stopping cartridge what is the 450-400?

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I think the 400 is a stopping cartridge on animals up to Buffalo but not on Rhino or Elephant.

To me, a stopping cartridge must kill instantaniously from any angle, not the perfect angle. Thus the 400 is too small for the pachyderms.

A 470 will usually do it and a 500 and up will always do it. This assumes the correct shot placement for the angle offered.

A stopping shot is not always a charge directed at the shooter. It is many times a charge directed at someone else at an unfavourable angle to the shooter.

But that's just my opinion.

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I think the 400 is a stopping cartridge on animals up to Buffalo but not on Rhino or Elephant.

To me, a stopping cartridge must kill instantaniously from any angle, not the perfect angle. Thus the 400 is too small for the pachyderms.

A 470 will usually do it and a 500 and up will always do it. This assumes the correct shot placement for the angle offered.

A stopping shot is not always a charge directed at the shooter. It is many times a charge directed at someone else at an unfavourable angle to the shooter.

But that's just my opinion.

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Good points Mickey.

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Agree with the above--the only thing I would add is the 450/400 is lighter in recoil and therefore more pleasant to shoot a lot in one afternoon of practice..the ones I have shot I have really enjoyed..

Ripp

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I have no experience with the 450-400.
For those of you that do how would you
describe its best use. If the 470 is a
stopping cartridge what is the 450-400?

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Well in simple terms..

The 450/400 3” Jeffery was a favorite calibre of legendary hunters like Podoro Taylor, and Elmer Kieth early on. I believe Taylor shot about 1500 Elephants, so he certainly knows what works in the field. Saying that, this cartridge with the right hunter can take any game, with excellent shot placement. The real pleasure here is the recoil, compared to a 470NE. However, this cartridge does not have the “stopping power” of a 470. With that said, it’s my choice for an all around cartridge for medium to large game, but for dangerous game I’ll stick with my 470NE or 577NE. Here is the ballistic data on the 450/400 3" Jeffery.

450/400 3” : Velocity is 2125ft per sec. with a muzzle energy of 4056ft lbs.



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The 470NE is one of those cartridges that replaced the 450NE, and was orginally designed by Joseph Lang abouts 1900c. This calibre was the “adopted” calibre for Rigby’s after the 450’s demise, and as anyone can tell you the 470NE is a calibre of choice to this day for Africa's toughest. However, the 450NE is also enjoying much renewed interest, and is so versatile. It is also a favorite calibre of mine. Here is the ballistic data on the 470 Nitro Express.

470NE: Velocity is 2200 per sec. with a muzzle energy of 5380ft. lbs.



Hope this helps!

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