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hoppdoc
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Dangerous Game Shooting Practice
      #94188 - 14/01/08 12:39 AM

This topic has been reviewed multiple times before but I can't find any of the previous practice set up links with the search function.

A hunting buddy and my self were discussing the state of the world(what could we do to shoot and have fun) when we discussed this topic.

We came up with some thoughts about a set up to practice DG shooting.

How about an ATV pulling an old metal row boat with about 250' of rope. You could mount your target with some fence posting, etc.

A fellow could pull the boat fast up to 25 MPH with an ATV 4 wheeler such that when the ATV passed and cleared the hunter the initial shot could be taken at 35-50 yards and the second closer.Best the hunter have a tree or similar object between him and the roped ATV/target for safeties sake.

Could be good practice. I may try it!!

Does anyone know were you could order a full size head on target of a cape buffalo?? Other DG??

Thanks to anyone for any thoughts!



Sorry I couldn't find the previous practice links!!

Maybe something like this could be great practice for a Double or a big bore bolt.

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Edited by hoppdoc (14/01/08 12:47 AM)


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shakari
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Re: Dangerous Game Shooting Practice [Re: hoppdoc]
      #94201 - 14/01/08 06:56 AM

I hope you won't be offended by my saying that from my experience, there is no such thing as a realistic way at a range etc to practice shooting DG. - My advice would be that your time would be far better spent practicing and getting to know your chosen rifle. Forget pretty and expensive targets etc or moving target set ups at the range - because they won't help you.- If you can, try to find some kind of local hunting that offers fast snap shooting as well as more controlled shooting. - maybe something like wild pigs or similar. - and do it with the same rifle you'll be taking to Africa.

The key to shooting DG well, is to know your rifle at least as well as a woman knows the contents of her handbag. - And the only way to do that is shoot the rifle at live targets as often as you possibly can.

The next best thing is to practice target acquisition. Try sitting at home in front of the TV with a wildlife programme on, and use the rifle to try to get up and on target before the picture changes.

Ahother thing that might help, is to get out to somewhere where you'll see large mammals of some kind. It doesn't matter whether it's horses in the park or hippos at the zoo...... any large mammal will do. Then spend your time thinking about where you'll be putting the bullet. Remember angles change and rather than thinking about where you'll put the bullet on the outside of the animal, think about where the engine room or other target area will be, and where you need to place the bullet to penetrate the appropriate target area.

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Re: Dangerous Game Shooting Practice [Re: hoppdoc]
      #94209 - 14/01/08 09:57 AM

Could always buy a few herfords and have someone run them past you...

Ripp

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Re: Dangerous Game Shooting Practice [Re: hoppdoc]
      #94224 - 14/01/08 01:06 PM

Quote:

How about an ATV pulling an old metal row boat with about 250' of rope. You could mount your target with some fence posting, etc.

A fellow could pull the boat fast up to 25 MPH with an ATV 4 wheeler such that when the ATV passed and cleared the hunter the initial shot could be taken at 35-50 yards and the second closer.Best the hunter have a tree or similar object between him and the roped ATV/target for safeties sake.




You need a better method than this to approximate the stress of a DG hunt.

My recommendation is to straddle the tow rope.

The fellow with the ATV stops if you hit the "X" ring and squeezes hard on the throttle if you don't...

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Re: Dangerous Game Shooting Practice [Re: 9.3x57]
      #94233 - 14/01/08 06:10 PM

Can I add that just to prove that one should never say never and never say always about Africa, and I guess to prove myself wrong (DOH!) - I have actually just thought of one way you could practice on a range (if safety permits) for your shot at Leopard. This is also what I now get the client to do before we go into the blind.

I first measure the range of blind to bait and height of ground to branch. (You'll have to 'dummy this up' at the range). Then I set the client up just as he'll be shooting in the blind. That includes same seat and same rifle rest set up etc.

I take a suitably sized cardboard box and draw a life sized silouette of a Leopard on the outside of the box - and inside the box, I hang one of those plastic bottled water containers in the appropriate position to simulate the heart. Then when everything is in position, I ask the client to shoot the animal where he believes the heart to be. Usually, they miss the heart the first few times because they are looking/aiming at a spot on the outside of the cat, but after a bit of practice, they learn to aim for where the (unseen) heart is located. When the client can put 3 consecutive shots through the 'heart', I judge them ready to shoot their Leopard.

Interestingly, and with all my fingers and toes firmly crossed, I've never had a client wound a cat since I started this practice.

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Re: Dangerous Game Shooting Practice [Re: 9.3x57]
      #94238 - 14/01/08 09:39 PM

9threexfifty7--

If you have some old cows maybe I could come to your property and shoot some as you spooked them at me!!
I hit what I shoot at most the time!!
Better yet I could hang out with that mobile butcher fellow you spoke of previously and shoot some of the ornery ole cows that he deals with!!

Did treat a fellow who says he got fired from a job killing cows for a slaughter house when he showed off by shooting his personal handgun and messed up killing a cow. He tried a shot to the head, miissed the brain and the cow tore fencing up as well as got loose,creating a general panic with the other employees before it was dispatched!!

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Re: Dangerous Game Shooting Practice [Re: hoppdoc]
      #94263 - 15/01/08 04:04 AM

Quote:


Did treat a fellow who says he got fired from a job killing cows for a slaughter house when he showed off by shooting his personal handgun and messed up killing a cow. He tried a shot to the head, miissed the brain and the cow tore fencing up as well as got loose,creating a general panic with the other employees before it was dispatched!!




Good heavens!! I can only imagine the mayhem that thing would have created in the confines of a kill floor. I'm thinking that if I was his supervisor I'd have sent him packin', too!!

I have 5 butcher sheep on-the-hoof that need to be packed on ice soon, I'll try not to make the same mistake!

By the way, Shakari, your general suggestion in your first post about shooting lots of game for practise with the DG rifle is well taken, but in the USA, opportunities for such shooting are extremely limited. For example, the nature of most varmint shooting {where large numbers of critters, albeit little} are shot calls for a highly specialized, accurate rifle, particularly when the target is small and the ranges extended. Some areas have large enough pig populations for fellows to get some real shooting in, and of course there are some little critters like ground squirrels that are shot up close and where an iron-sighted rifle {or somebody's DG rifle} can be used as I do on my place, but the guy that gets lots of opportunity to shoot large numbers of decent-sized game or even butcher stock for that matter is a rare one indeed, so maybe the next best bet might be Hoppdoc's Boston Whaler with a Longhorn Steer head wired on the bow!!

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Edited by 9ThreeXFifty7 (15/01/08 04:07 AM)


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shakari
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Re: Dangerous Game Shooting Practice [Re: 9.3x57]
      #94323 - 15/01/08 05:04 PM

Ah sorry,

I thought there was a lot of driven wild pig shooting on offer in the States...... must have been mistaken. In that case, my advice would be to just try to get ultra familiar with the rifle in whatever kind of hunting is available and spend as much time as possible looking as a variety if mammals and working out target areas etc........

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Re: Dangerous Game Shooting Practice [Re: shakari]
      #94365 - 16/01/08 09:24 AM

When the rabbit population is up we have jacks running all over out in the wilds of Utah. Shoot my 416 with 350 grain Hornady's at them. Great fun and practice. Plan on doing the same now than I have my 450 NE. I agree with shakari that you need to fully familiar with your rifle, how it handles, and be able to shoot instinctively, as most of us have learned who have shot shotguns our whole lives. Don't need to think just shoot.

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Re: Dangerous Game Shooting Practice [Re: driftwood]
      #94374 - 16/01/08 10:21 AM

Best practice is to shoot live animals with it, pigs or some sort of cull. Difficult if you don't have access to that sort of thing. Even using it for some deer hunts. It might mess up some meat but if you can get shots at say 50 metres or less on deer it will be good practice.

I think a mixture of learning to snap shoot, ie shoot very soon after the butt hits your shoulder and shooting running game targets is also worthwhile. Shooting just static targets doesn't help train anyone for running targets. I am not a great running shot myself so this is an area I need to improve on. However I will be looking for a great opportunity for practicing on hopping 'running' targets as well as paper.

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Re: Dangerous Game Shooting Practice [Re: NitroX]
      #94464 - 17/01/08 07:10 AM

I hunt deer, elk, and pigs with mine. I do believe that hunting with a DG rifle is the best method of learning to use one. Sold my elk rifle and use my .375 H&H for them.

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