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Re: Whats this double like ? [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #91762 - 17/12/07 04:29 AM

At the risk of being tarred and feathered, I'll chime in.

Strongly held opinions die hard, and that's what is being debated here. Matters of handling characteristics, when taken to this level, are subjective. They cannot be quantified, as they live in the mind of the observer.

From the outset the Brits abhorred the O/U shotgun. One need look no further than the fact that many of their hunting clubs enjoined their use. That's not a rule based on handling characteristics.

The Continentals had a greater affinity for the O/U. This can be seen well back into the muzzle loading era. But the Brits had no use for Continental taste, either. There was a wide gulf separating the two schools of opinion, and that gulf exists today.

Merkel was a driving force behind the proliferation of O/U guns and rifles on the Continent. This tradition is memorialized in the current Merkel catalog, which states:

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Since the fourteenth century craftsmen in the town of Suhl, Germany, have been known as the world's finest weapons makers. In 1898, the Merkel brothers founded a factory in Suhl that was the first to industrially manufacture over-and-under guns. The Merkel factory grew, and in 1914 the production line introduced side-by-side shotguns.




I find it impossible to believe that a shotgunner experienced in the use of an O/U would be hampered in the least by the use of an O/U double rifle.

As to my own preferences, I like SxS rifles better. I do own one O/U rifle, which is a fine one. I wouldn't feel compromised by taking it into the field. It's a Merkel 323E, which I believe represents the pinnacle of the O/U rifle (another opinion, obviously).





Those who only accept British products and opinions will not care for this rifle. But others will.

If I were a dyed in the wool O/U shotgun man, I would certainly own the Merkel 323E rifle. I would probably shun the SxS.

We should distinguish opinion from fact. Often those with strongly held opinions come to the belief that their opinions represent fact. This is not the case.

It was said that the market response demonstrates the superior utility of the SxS rifle compared to the O/U rifle. It's simply foolish to think the market defines superior utility or design when there are so many other forces that drive demand. The fallacy of that logic is demonstrated time after time in the market. Do we really believe that the fins common to late-50's and early-60's automobiles contributed anything to the stability or dynamics of the car?



So in closing I suggest good advice was put forth by Zimhunter when he said, "I buy and use what I like and you buy and use what you like and we will both be happy." In other words, we please ourselves within our own sets of opinions without trying to impose on other's tastes and opinions.

Just my $0.02 worth (which is less and less considering the slide of the US$).

Curl

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Re: Whats this double like ? [Re: CptCurl]
      #91766 - 17/12/07 05:09 AM

Roscoe once again has said it best! Great post. I too prefer the sxs, however this is not due to function in the field or feel.

I have owned several O/U double rifles in large and small calibre, and found them to work just fine with no noticeable difference in actual hunting use. I doubt the dead animal noticed the difference either.

In short buy what you like, and enjoy owning it 100% of the time.


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Re: Whats this double like ? [Re: CptCurl]
      #91768 - 17/12/07 05:23 AM

Curl,

I couldn't agree more.

Incidentally, if you want to see my Krieghoff Teck .458, click

http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=3823381&pid=7017140

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Re: Whats this double like ? [Re: xausa]
      #91801 - 17/12/07 12:39 PM

Bill,

That's a lot of ivory and a great rifle too!

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Re: Whats this double like ? [Re: xausa]
      #91835 - 17/12/07 07:01 PM

Lovely Buff Sir, best regards, Mike Bailey

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Re: Whats this double like ? [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #91952 - 18/12/07 06:36 PM

Is the issue with an O/U double rifle that you have to open it farther to get the lower barrel loaded? I'm considering a Heym 55 in .450/400 as I'm comfortable with O/U shotguns.

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Re: Whats this double like ? [Re: smicha6551]
      #91955 - 18/12/07 07:11 PM

Smich, the gape question has been raised but if you stood next to a chap with a side by side, you both shot twice then had to break, reload and shoot again, assuming you were used to dropping 2 shells into an O/U I think the time difference would be infinitesimile. Still haven't heard ye but the factory have confirmed they can easily convert to double trigger. Will keep you updated, best rgds, Mike Bailey

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Re: Whats this double like ? [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #91972 - 19/12/07 12:12 AM

For my 2p worth...
Personally I like both O/U and S/S shotguns. My preference is for O/U for 20bore and smaller and S/S for 16bore and 12 bore (if ever I get a 10bore it will either be a pump or S/S). This is partly (mainly?) due to aesthetics, but also I don't like the wide gape when chambering the fatter shells in an O/U.
I don't have any first hand experience shooting an O/U double rifle, but I like the idea of e.g. the Heym in 9,3x74. However for a 450/400 and up I would personally stick to a S/S - for the same reasons as above...
Oh - and I hate single triggers!

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Re: Whats this double like ? [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #92211 - 20/12/07 11:34 PM

I doubt that I will ever own a stack-barrel double rifle myself, or shotgun for that matter, but I must confess to a certain sensation of a ferret running through my trousers when handed Mario's Beretta Gold Sable 9.3x74 at the Northern Territory Big Game Rifle Championships a couple of years back.

Sweeet rifle! Almost had me there for a moment. I guess I could always hold it sideways...!

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Re: Whats this double like ? [Re: Marrakai]
      #92231 - 21/12/07 01:30 AM

Hey Marrakai,

All the hot-shots on the silver screen or the glowing box hold their automatic pistols sideways and hit whatever they are aiming at!

Never could understand the sight picture. I guess it's instinctive.

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