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beleg2
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Pistol scope on a caplock?
      #90088 - 29/11/07 10:25 PM

I would like to try a pistol scope (Bushnell Phantom) on my Kodiak ML double but I’m concern about debris and powder that can affect scope’s ocular, because the scope’s position (in front of nipples).
Have someone use a pistol scope on a cap lock rifle?
I plan to put scope mount where the Kodiak have the rear sight.


Any advice would help, before I by the scope.
Thanks
Martin

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Re: Pistol scope on a caplock? [Re: beleg2]
      #90092 - 29/11/07 11:57 PM

I have used a scope on a caplock, and yes, it was fouled. I wrapped the scope in a sleeve made of cloth, but it didn't help much. However, the lenses were not affected, as they were out of the way. It was the scope body that was contaminated.

My suspicion is that a pistol scope may not work for you that close to the eye. Most that I have worked with have pretty lengthy eye relief. You may have to use a rifle scope, or move the pistol scope further forward. Good luck with it, it sounds like an interesting project.

Take care, Tom

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Re: Pistol scope on a caplock? [Re: Tatume]
      #90101 - 30/11/07 03:14 AM

I built an 8 bore for an avid hunter, who was getting a bit up in years.
He could no longer see iron sights, but was loathe to give up on his hunting.
So I used a "scout scope' from Burris. It's in intermediate eye relief scope. Not the typical long eye relief scopes used for pistols.
It does detract from the look of the rifle, but it allows him to hunt for many years more to come
Here's a pic

Steve.

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Re: Pistol scope on a caplock? [Re: szihn]
      #90106 - 30/11/07 04:16 AM

A friend of mine mounted a rifle scope on his 11 bore English Sporting rifle. It was set up on an almost side mount, with the ocular behind the nipple. Cap flash is almost nil with a properly fitting hammer and good lock. There was a minor amount of fouling on the scope body that wiped off with a cloth.
: With many of the production rifles, weak and or coil mainsprings and poor lock/fence geometry causes much more fouling to issue from the nipple than should be. In that case, I'd think the forward mounting might put the occular lense in jeapardy from high velocity flying debris.
; Steve, nice rifle, except for the scope, but realize the reason and agree with it's addition. Who knows, we may all have to do that some day - hopefully not.
: Some guys I know who cannot see a rear sight any more, have gone to smoothbores and call their game inside 50 yards for the shot. They still fill their tags, every year. The longer barrel of the smoothie allows them to see the silver front sight, and hot having a rear sight to screw them up, do just fine. Too, they can use the smoothie for upland birds, ducks and geese as well. One must shoot a lot with a smoothbore to learn how and where they shoot. Barrel bending to align point of impact is a way of life, sometimes and is easily done. Ball size should be about .030" under bore size, and a .018" to .020" patch used. proper crown, od course.

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Edited by Daryl_S (30/11/07 04:18 AM)

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Re: Pistol scope on a caplock? [Re: DarylS]
      #90118 - 30/11/07 06:37 AM

Thank for your answers.
I will have to check eye relief of the phantom.
Steve,
Do your the owner of this rifle have any problem on the ocular?

Thanks
Martin

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Re: Pistol scope on a caplock? [Re: beleg2]
      #90119 - 30/11/07 06:51 AM


No, the rear lens if far enough away from the nipple that it doesn't foul much, if at all.
And with hunting rifles, I cannot ever imagine a time when you could not wipe the lens every 3-4 shots anyway.

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Re: Pistol scope on a caplock? [Re: szihn]
      #90255 - 01/12/07 10:13 AM

I get the scope for a try.
I ducktañed to the rifle and even thou it have long eye relief it looks like it can work.





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Martin

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Re: Pistol scope on a caplock? [Re: beleg2]
      #90304 - 01/12/07 11:09 PM

Dear Martin,

Please keep us posted on your progress. Where did you find a scope mount that fits the rear sight dovetail?

Take care, Tom

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Re: Pistol scope on a caplock? [Re: Tatume]
      #90369 - 03/12/07 12:41 AM

Hi,
Unfortunately I rechck the scope and it will not work.

Tatume and Szihn,
You were right, too long eye releif for a rifle.
I have a IER leopold but I have it in a .22 pistol and do not want to take it out (1.2 MOA).

So next proyect.......LOL

Thanks
Martin

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