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RHB
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Re: RC4 Slugs: the Acid Test [Re: 9.3x57]
      #94442 - 17/01/08 02:47 AM

Hehehe...good luck and thanks for the explanation.

P.S.: One wouldn't use a roll crimp for a ball or would they?

Edited by RHB (17/01/08 02:50 AM)


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Re: RC4 Slugs: the Acid Test [Re: RHB]
      #94472 - 17/01/08 08:07 AM

Hi there, I,m told and have read here, that wild boar are on the hunting list ,and soon ? 2 Antelope & 1 deer species ,

9.3 x 74 , Thats how I pulled some of my 577 & 500 mistake loads ,I used a slegde hammer handle !
Worked great !


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RHB
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Re: RC4 Slugs: the Acid Test [Re: Sarg]
      #94494 - 17/01/08 11:45 AM

Hi Sarg,

The state of Chattisgarh was supposed to have opened up pig hunting some years back but I haven't heard of anyone hunt pig there.

As for the two antelope and one deer species that will probably happen in some parts of Madhya Pradesh. I suppose it will be Axis/spotted deer and Nilgai antelopes. I very much doubt if they will add blackbuck to the antelope list.


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Re: RC4 Slugs: the Acid Test [Re: RHB]
      #94516 - 17/01/08 05:56 PM

Rustam,

Good to see you here, buddy! And even better to see that you're putting the Brno to good use.

BTW if possible have someone check with the Hindustan Armoury at Anna Pillai Street in Chennai for some good slugs. You should get them and at a decent price though I have little idea what prices are like these days. Maybe Rags could call them and check for you?

Also, Amit's dad took back a slug mould from here. It cost less than nothing and he has been very satisfied with some of his home brewed slugs that he has shot into mud banks, trees etc. Let me know if you want one and I'll get one and send it across with one of Inder's colleagues or with Inder when he returns.

And, before I forget, I am the elf-appointed head of the Committee of Pesterers for Gun Pictures on these forums. Do post pictures of the restoration work on your gun. Show her off, as I like to suggest, as if you had Keira Knightley on your arm!

Hope to see you here regularly!

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Re: RC4 Slugs: the Acid Test [Re: RHB]
      #94580 - 18/01/08 07:14 AM

RHB - round balls are fine in choked barrels as long as the ball is the same size or smaller in diameter than the choke's smallest diamter - which is usually .690" for full choke in a 12bore. My buddies worked up round ball loads for their full choked duck 12 bore pump guns for use on moose while duck hunting. If using cloth patches as they did, one would need to use a ball smaller than the bore, to make room for the patch. They used a .684" ball and very thin linen patch.
; If lino or any really hard lead is obtainable, you should cut it with pure lead about 1/2 and 1/2. Lino and babbit lead is brittle and will shatter on impact with hard bone although maybe not at low velocities of a shotgun - I don't know for sure, haven't tested that.
; Black power makes re-loading shotshells dirt easy as long as one can get primers and wads. Never let plastic wads come in contact with black powder. When fired, the flame fornt will melt plastic onto the bores. always put hard cards between them.
; A simple Lee wad starter is all that's really necessary to get a cone shaped crimp over the ball when using plastic cases. A lee loader hand tool set is even better. You just use wads to fill the space between the ball and the powder, along with the plastic gas check with the cup holding the ball in the centre. My buddies used cloth patches around the balls instead of the gas checks. They were good for about 5" at 50 yards. Plastic gas checks are cut from spent trap wads at the local club - free for picking them up. Many different types can be tried, many will shoot slightly differently so allow experimentation themselves.
; I'd not shoot anything less than about 4 drams black powder, and actually had my best results using black powder with 5 1/2 dram (150gr.) loads in my double 12. It will kick in a light gun.
; In the past, round balls received bad press and the 'memory' of their dismal accuracy still accompanies them today. They were developed in the States back in the 1920's for shotguns and typically used naked round balls .630" to .640 in diameter that bounced up the bore and shot all over the globe. In other words, they were too small for a 16 bore, yet were loaded in a 12 bore case. It is little wonder round 'Pumpkin' balls obtained a poor reputation here.
; Making the balls larger and giving them proper steerage up the bore (cupped wad underneth them) lets them shoot as accurately as any smoothbore can shoot. One can jungle the load somewhat to make them shoot even better - diferent charges, different wd columns, different lubes? Lots of 'work' ahead of you. As with anything worth doing, there is experimentation to do. Lee makes a .690" ball mould for around $16.95 US and Lyman makes the .690" ball mould for about $75.00 US. Lee is aluminum, Lyman is iron. Jeff Tanner in the UK will make any size you want for around $30.00 from brass, shipped to you in about 7 days - you will need handles for the Tanner moulds and Lyman. Lee comes with handles. I have two of Tanner's moulds and they are superb for the money - a .725" and a .745".

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RHB
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Re: RC4 Slugs: the Acid Test [Re: DarylS]
      #94617 - 18/01/08 04:04 PM

Hi Mehul,

In the kingdom of the blind I might be king or thereabouts but having seen some of the guns exhibited here, I fail to see how it would interest anyone.

However, I do need some information regarding this shotgun and will start a new thread.

BTW, no thanks for blowing my 'cover'.


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Re: RC4 Slugs: the Acid Test [Re: RHB]
      #94618 - 18/01/08 04:14 PM

Hi Daryl,

Primers are close to impossible to source here, which is why I was more interested in just replacing the slug with a ball.

I am still undecided about using a ball but should I change my mind I will get in touch with you.

Thanks for the detailed post. Appreciate it.


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Re: RC4 Slugs: the Acid Test [Re: RHB]
      #94648 - 19/01/08 04:38 AM

Feel free - it is quite possible, what you propose. The wad is the important thing here. It must centre the ball and be shaped accordingly to do so.
: I'd send you some wads but the shipping is cost prohibitive. I tried to send a friend (exchange student) from Siberia a small package of balls and wads, of only 10 pounds weight and it was $347.00 for shipping. He'll have to make due with the russion slugs, I guess.

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Re: RC4 Slugs: the Acid Test [Re: DarylS]
      #94706 - 19/01/08 02:32 PM

Well I belted a couple of RC4s into dry phone-books on Thursday arvo, the result was not unexpected...!



I'll take the Mirage Clever slugs over the RC4s any day! In fact, I'd rather chuck rocks...!)

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Re: RC4 Slugs: the Acid Test [Re: Marrakai]
      #94716 - 19/01/08 05:02 PM

Quote:

I'll take the Mirage Clever slugs over the RC4s any day! In fact, I'd rather chuck rocks...!)




LOL. I can sense your frustration. Fortunately, living in Oz, you can switch to something better but had that happened in India we would have been in deep kimchi.

The Mirage slugs aren't great but considering a telephone directory has far thinner paper than magazines, that fragmentation is pretty disappointing. What was the depth of penetration?

Thanks a lot for the test because should the RC4s ever reach India, some of us will atleast save a bundle avoiding it.

You should have a PM shortly.


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Re: RC4 Slugs: the Acid Test [Re: RHB]
      #96192 - 07/02/08 04:05 PM



Marrakai,

Read your PM re Brenneke Slugs / Shotgun Shells.

Will try to call.


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