taw1126
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Probably just like many others here, I got an email from SCI yesterday with the new Tanzania government fees. I don't have any experience hunting any part of Africa so I may be mis-interpreting what I'm seeing, but the fees themselves don't seem that bad.
I realize there are daily fees paid to the outfitter for each day in camp, dip & crate fees, etc. but are there additional license/trophy fees paid to the outfitter for each of these animals? For example, the government fee on buffalo is $1,500 which doesn't appear to be unreasonable. Does the outfitter charge another fee specifically for killing (or wounding) a buffalo?
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Charles_Helm
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I have not been to Tanzania but this is my understanding.
Unless you are quoted an all-in price, Tanzania has a number of fees in addition to the daily rates and trophy fees. Just an example from Wendell Reich's Website:
Masailand
Government Fees Price
Government Observer Royalty per day $50
Wildlife Conservation Fee/Hunting Client/day $100
Hunting License Fee for 8 days and over $600
Hunting License Fee for 7 days $450
Concession Fee per day $100
Dip & Pack Safaris of 7 and 10 days $1100
Dip & Pack Safaris of 11 days and over $2200
Other fees you might encounter (from a Selous page of Wendell's Website):
10%Community Development fees on animals killed or wounded
Charter or road transfer to camp from Dar es Salaam
Transportation from USA to Dar es Salaam
Hotel accommodation in Dar es Salaam on night of arrival
Additional gun licenses $150/gun
I am not sure if you pay a fee/tax on ammunition in addition to the gun license fees.
I am not sure that all companies charge just the minimum trophy fees.
I am not saying that all of these apply in every case. Get a firm quote that clearly spells out what is and is not included.
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Some pictures from Namibia
Some pictures from Zimbabwe
An Elephant Story
Edited by Charles_Helm (09/09/07 08:43 AM)
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Schamankungulo
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They jus bumped the trophy fees up mid season , probaly will be some cancelled trips , I know one PH who has already had several cancel , the PH's and landowners are in a minor uproar to put it lightly ..
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Ripp
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I visited with a booking agent yesterday who books hunts all over Africa--he said he as well has had several people cancel because they could not afford the increase--really pretty sad--I really for the person who has saved for that once in a lifetime hunt and would have to cancel--greed is a terrible thing..unfortunately most of us have it..
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thorshammer
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This may sound cruel stuck up but TZ cameroon are the rich mans safari grounds you cant afford it just accept it hurt some where else or suck it up im tired of people whineing about the cost of safaris in life people win and lose and somebody had to lose so I could win and thats life
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Der_Jaeger
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The increased costs and fees are really unfortunate and may only come down when hunters stop traveling there altogether. Right now, I'd bet Namibia is the best deal on the Continent. You may not have access to the variety of dangerous game, but the experience would still be incredible.
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Ripp
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Curious how this next few years will play out--had a PH here in my house for the past week from Zim..he stated, based on the place he works for along with the others he had beers with while in Reno--bookings were down 65% to 80% over last year.... ouch....
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thorshammer
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me personally the fee increase has not put a damper to my plans of safari for the next 2 years as of yet so hope for the best
Edited by thorshammer (05/02/09 12:49 PM)
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LarryShores
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I went to Tz in 06 and 07 for full bag 21 days hunts.
The safari company for my 06 trip charged $56,000 for the basic daily rates. I saw their brochure in Reno. The same hunt in 09 is an astounding $74,000!
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Ripp
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I went to Tz in 06 and 07 for full bag 21 days hunts.
The safari company for my 06 trip charged $56,000 for the basic daily rates. I saw their brochure in Reno. The same hunt in 09 is an astounding $74,000!
Unfortunately, it is not just Tanzania---looked recently with the same place I booked my lion in '07, same hunt today is $17,500 more-and this is in Zim..--that is insane...also checked into availability, several still available for '09..imagine that... 
Ripp
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shakari
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Unfortunately, African hunting like most things in life, ain't gonna go down in price anytime soon. It's beginning to look like Bots is going to reduce it's hunting and possibly stop it completely (excluding private areas like Tuli) which will also reduce availability which will make matters even worse.
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thorshammer
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it might go down you never can be to sure with the way the economy is going and people not wanting to spend money they will either have to lower em or shut down I would imagine
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Westley375
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I personally feel that in the future they had better lower their prices. With the world wide economy in a hole some business is better than NO business. Charge what you want but soon you'll reach a point where you alienate an entire group of real hunters who don't happen to be rich Texas Oil Buffoons. Besides alot of these guys really aren't real hunters just collectors...they hunt once a year to add to their trophy rooms. England made it's hunting inaccessable to the average man and now that it is threatened there are very few people there to support it...they could care less. I was at the SCI show and didn't see alot of checks being written and attendence was down at least 30% over last year. Even people with money are nervous.
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Ripp
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Unfortunately, African hunting like most things in life, ain't gonna go down in price anytime soon. It's beginning to look like Bots is going to reduce it's hunting and possibly stop it completely (excluding private areas like Tuli) which will also reduce availability which will make matters even worse.
Isn't Botswana making a ton off of photo safari's and therefore feel the don't need the hunting aspect...unfortunately, and so typical of goverment, they don't really know what they are talking about..and are totally ignoring the biological aspect...where the herds need to be kept in check...taking pictures of "those little darlings" isn't going to fix that...
Agree there will be changes, whether it is this year or next, the economy will not return to normal for quite some time..and Yes, based on what I am seeing, my richer clients are nervous too..even some of them are not spending much if any money...
Ripp
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thorshammer
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10 years is the soonest estimate it will take for the economy to fully recover i believe I herd not to long ago
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