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I think the "Partitions are bad for doubles" is an old wives tale, that keeps getting repeated. I know several people who shoot them in doubles with no problems whatsoever. Also, the rib came off after the Simmons repair, while shooting factory Norma ammo(non H-style). I shot Partitions after the Champlin repair, and the rib stuck to the barrel like bark on a tree.

Granted, I wouldn't shoot mono-solids in a double, but Partitions don't worry me. The 9.3 in particular, as it still has the old style relief groove cut over the partition.

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I agree Jeff, there is no reason not to shoot Nosler Partitions in a double rifle! The problems have come from solid Brass mono-metel bullets like the Barnes Super Solids, and the A-square monolithic solids. The north Fork, and GS custom copper bullets, with the presure grouves cut in the solid body of the bullet, to allow the rifleing to engrave the shank, with some place for the displaced metel to go, and OK for double rifles. The partition has only a small section for the ewb between the front, and back, and poses no problems in a double rifle. The Swift A-Frame, is getting close to being too solid in the middle, and I do not use them in my doubles. I do use the NF, GSC, and Nosler Partitions in all my rifles, doubles included!

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No, the Oryx is a conventional bonded core soft. It isn't an H section or solid shank bullet, so no problem there.

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But the Nosler Partitions also used as mentioned above are a H section bullet. Maybe you or another could comment on whether this is an issue (ie using H section/solid shank bullets) in double rifles? Thanks.

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I strongly believe that some partition type bullets can be a problem. Ross Seyfried has said the same thing. He wrote that he won't use any mono, solid shank, or H section bullet in a double. I've never tried the Nosler in a double rifle, so don't know if they're a problem. Likewise, I see no earthly need to find out - there are plenty of fine bonded core softs available. I did buy some Swift A-Frames once and ended up giving them away rather than using them in the intended double. The center of the H section of that bullet is incredibly hard.

Of course, any solid shank bullet, or any bullet with a particulary hard H section presents essentially the same problem as a mono, as they all resist compression in the bore. Mac is a friend, but I disagree STRONGLY about the use of the so-called driving band monos in a double rifle.

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This is an interesting thread. Perhaps it would be helpful for the posters to note the vintage of the dg they own and shoot. This information may be most helpful; eg. older more delicate dg versus new more robust dg. I shoot and hunt with my newer dg, and have no problem with mono nor any other kind of bullets. I am getting the impression from this thread that the older English dg require a lot of tlc and caution regarding bullet content and powder.

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Dear Nitro 400, It would be most helpful if you would post the maker and vintage of the dg that you have personally shot monos and other inappropriate bulets through and ruined. It would be even better to know which mono bullets. Also, what damage was seen on the rifle immediately after the "event". This infomation would help the rest of us without your personal extensive testing know which gun/bullet combinations to avoid purchasing. This would be very, very valuable data. Regards.

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No, the Oryx is a conventional bonded core soft. It isn't an H section or solid shank bullet, so no problem there.

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... and Nosler Partition bullets ...

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But the Nosler Partitions also used as mentioned above are a H section bullet. Maybe you or another could comment on whether this is an issue (ie using H section/solid shank bullets) in double rifles? Thanks.

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I strongly believe that some partition type bullets can be a problem. Ross Seyfried has said the same thing. He wrote that he won't use any mono, solid shank, or H section bullet in a double. I've never tried the Nosler in a double rifle, so don't know if they're a problem. Likewise, I see no earthly need to find out - there are plenty of fine bonded core softs available. I did buy some Swift A-Frames once and ended up giving them away rather than using them in the intended double. The center of the H section of that bullet is incredibly hard.

Of course, any solid shank bullet, or any bullet with a particulary hard H section presents essentially the same problem as a mono, as they all resist compression in the bore. Mac is a friend, but I disagree STRONGLY about the use of the so-called driving band monos in a double rifle.

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Thanks for answering my post.

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This is an interesting thread. Perhaps it would be helpful for the posters to note the vintage of the dg they own and shoot. This information may be most helpful; eg. older more delicate dg versus new more robust dg. I shoot and hunt with my newer dg, and have no problem with mono nor any other kind of bullets. I am getting the impression from this thread that the older English dg require a lot of tlc and caution regarding bullet content and powder. Is factory ammo a problem with the older dg? Do all the owners of these guns reload? I would really like to know. thanks, I truly appreciate the diverse knowledge and opinons expressed here. I would really like to read more first hand accounts of actual problems and solutions, etc.

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I know of an example of a DR that is used to shoot monometal bullets such as Barnes X. I have seen comments that they too work fine with no problems. However the rifling is also showing on the outside of this DR's barrels.

No I won't be giving the precise info as it is private.

A lot of threads and posts on this forum give you what you ask. Do a search.

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I recall the listing of your rifle also Spring. Almost made a pass but ended up with my Marcel Thys sidelock. You surely bought a nice rifle.

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I recall the listing of your rifle also Spring. Almost made a pass but ended up with my Marcel Thys sidelock. You surely bought a nice rifle.

JPK

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You know you woulden't like this rifle it is a heavey pigger.470 N.E. Weight 11 1/4 lbs.
Sorrey I just coulden't resist.
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You are correct, that is why I bought my Thys, which while a quarter pound overweight, at 10 1/2lbs, was more attractive to me than the A&S/Beretta 470 at 11 1/4lbs.

On the other hand, I did buy an A&S sidelock 375H&H which weighs a more proper for cartidge, to me, 8lbs 10oz.

If only I could afford one of the three new H&H rifles listed by H&H, the 9lb 470, or the 10lb 465H&H or even the 10lb 2oz 465H&H. Either would be the ultimate rifle at the ultimate weight.

Oh, and for a similar price I passed on a left handed H&H 375Flanged because it weighed 10lbs 2oz. (The A&S was less purchase price but more total cost once I paid to have it converted to left hand use.)

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eg. older more delicate dg versus new more robust dg. I shoot and hunt with my newer dg, and have no problem with mono nor any other kind of bullets.

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IMHO it is not just a matter of old versus new, it is a matter of barrel thickness as much as metal strength. At the end of the day, I don't believe that at NE speeds, monometals are really needed when perfectly good FMJ solids are available. At faster speeds I can see the point, but most often this implies bolt rifles with thicker barrels anyway.
At the price of a new H&H or WR, I don't think many will try the new versus old theory either!

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My experience is 180* opposite. Flat nose mono solids far outpenetrate round nose solids. So at the relatively modest NE velocities the flat nose solids provide a significant increase in effectiveness while the round nose steel jacketed solids out of, say, a 458 Lott or 470 Mbogo rather than a 450NE or 470NE, leave nothing to be desired in the first place and the improved penetration of the flat nose solids is immaterial.

But the former North Forks and current GS Custom flat nose solids are driving band bullets and safe in a double anyway since the shank of the bullet is at or below diameter between lands.

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