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Armourbearer21
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.416 Rem. mag
      #8356 - 07/02/04 01:17 AM

Greetings...I'm new to this forum and have been enjoying the reading, immensely. I too have purchased a rifle for that "someday" hunt in Africa. Mine is a Ruger #1H .416 Rem. mag. I would be interested in any comments concerning hunting dangerous game with a single shot and comments on the .416 Rem. mag.in general. By the way, my other single shot is also a Ruger. It's a #1 RSI, full Mannlicher stock, in 30/06. I love 'em both. Thanks for your time

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470Nitro
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Re: .416 Rem. mag [Re: Armourbearer21]
      #8357 - 07/02/04 01:28 AM

Hi & welcome My416

I use now a .416 on my hunts in Africa, I got a bolt action Remington.

As you will be a novice in Africa, I must tell you not to use a single shot with dangerous game . You got the right caliber, but more often than you think, you'll need more than one shot

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Re: .416 Rem. mag [Re: 470Nitro]
      #8381 - 07/02/04 07:58 AM

yeah DG and a Single Shot is a BAD idea.

for that matter, the 416 is a "problem" round, and you need to be careful with it in africa, period. something akin to a 375H&H or 416 Rigby repeater is a better DG gun....

for that matter, a 458Win would be perfectly acceptable for the novice patient enough to get close. (range limited by ideal impact velocities of its bullets, the 375 and 416 are much more flexible in this regard and offer similar recoil)

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Holmes
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Re: .416 Rem. mag [Re: Armourbearer21]
      #8473 - 08/02/04 12:17 PM

Welcome aboard, My416.

Great cartridge. In my opinion, the 416 is a contender for the title of Most Versatile Cartridge for Planet Earth. The 375 H&H wins the title only due to the availability of factory ammo seemingly everywhere.

The 416 shares with the 375 an excellent trajectory, manageable recoil, chambers in a variety of arms, good penetration, etc. Hard to argue with a man who shoots his 416 well.

My opinion regarding dangerous game and SS rifles has to be taken with a grain of salt as I've not been on safari to the dark continent. I do, however, believe a skilled and experienced DG rifleman can certainly use a single shot. Emphasis on skilled & experienced !

It would seem to me that a hunter contemplating such a safari should use a PH that is aware of the hunter's choice and prepared to work with him.

With a flexible PH and a hunter that has taken the responsibility to develop the additional skills required for a SS DG hunt, I would think the scenario is feasible.

Again, I am not an experienced DG hunter and some of the regular travelers to Africa here may spank me for this opinion.

Hunting DG is certainly an area where the newbie should seriously consider the opinions of the pros.

Again, welcome, and enjoy the forums!

Regards,

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NE450No2
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Re: .416 Rem. mag [Re: Armourbearer21]
      #8500 - 08/02/04 06:26 PM

My416
Welcome to the Forum. I have hunted with Ruger No1's and think they are very fine rifles. I have not hunted dangerous game with one but would.
It is the man and how he handles the rifle that determines its suitability for dangerous game. A good man with a No1 can shoot just as fast and accurate as the average man with a bolt action. I always had extra shells in a buttstock carrier, and could shoot, load, and shoot almost as fast as a bolt rifle. Once the magazine of the bolt rifle runs out the single shot will prove faster for the next shots. Plus single shots never jam, nor dump ammo at your feet.
In a CLOSE charge the single and the bolt are both one shot, winner take all.
If YOU practice and can keep your cool the single shot will do for DG.
As to the 416 Rem Mag there have been some complaints of high pressure with factory ammo, just test you ammo or shoot reloads.
Plus it just seems you just "hold and squeeze" a little tighter when you are using a single shot.

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luv2safari
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Re: .416 Rem. mag [Re: Armourbearer21]
      #8501 - 08/02/04 06:38 PM

The 416 Rem Mag was designed for bolt action magazine rifles, and should only be chambered for bolt rifles, and ones with controled feed extractors. This leaves Remington out of my list as appropriate for their own 416!. They churn up so much chamber pressure that you just may have one junp the extractor of a break open or falling block type action.

The 416 Rigby is somewhat better for this purpose, but the best and newest would be the 500/416 brought out a couple of years ago. It completely flabergasts me that these manufacturers turn out 375 H&H and 416 Rem's in inappropriate action types. They don't give a shit about field results, just sales hype.

The 416 Rem is the same as a 416 Rigby out the barrel, and for that it is a wonderful caliber...in the right gun. It will make an excellent elk, moose, eland, gemsbuck, wildebeest caliber in a single shot.

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Armourbearer21
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Re: .416 Rem. mag [Re: Holmes]
      #8667 - 11/02/04 05:00 AM

Holmes...Thanks Much, I appreciate the in-put.

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Armourbearer21
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Re: .416 Rem. mag [Re: NE450No2]
      #8668 - 11/02/04 05:04 AM

NE450no2...I'm going to give it a go. Thanks for your in-put.

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NE450No2
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Re: .416 Rem. mag [Re: Armourbearer21]
      #8674 - 11/02/04 06:10 AM

My416
When "speed loading" for my Ruger No1's I used this technique.
After the shot as I came down from the recoil I lowered the lever ejecting the spent case. I also lowered the rifle slightly so I could observe the animal I had shot and the actions of any others that might have been with him.
With my trigger finger pulling hand I would remove one round from the buttstock shell carrier and insert it into the chamber, and close the lever as I raised the rifle back up to my face.
The rifle is slightly lowered leaving the buttstock in the shoulder pocket. I lay the round in the loading tray and push it into the chamber with my finger. By pushing it all the way into the chamber with your finger you will not attempt to close the action before the round is fully seated.
Both of my No1's were scoped, so this technique will work with scoped or unscoped rifles.

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luv2safari
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Re: .416 Rem. mag [Re: NE450No2]
      #8711 - 11/02/04 09:58 AM

It all makes sense. With practice it would be a very fluid technique.

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475Guy
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Re: .416 Rem. mag [Re: Armourbearer21]
      #8725 - 11/02/04 11:25 AM

Jon Sundra used to publicize his hunts using the No.1 way back when. He used different calibers when hunting in Africa and he now says that after quite a bit of hunting, he won't use a No.1 anymore. After all he's gone there so many times that I think he's figured what works and what doesn't. He is also famous or infamous for being the first to neck up the 300 Ultra to 375 Ultra. He was Mr. 375 for quite a while.

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