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gatsby
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Holts:2 pdxes and a 7bore
#81049 - 21/06/07 02:14 AM

2 Holland hammer paradox guns one early one late at the Holts auction tomorrow. Also Gerald Burrards 7 bore Holland underlever hammerless rifle. Will it make 25k british?

www.holtandcompany.co.uk

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Re: Holts:2 pdxes and a 7bore [Re: gatsby]
#81050 - 21/06/07 02:25 AM

Doesn't the 12 Bore seem rather cheap? Is it left handed?

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gatsby
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Re: Holts:2 pdxes and a 7bore [Re: mickey]
#81054 - 21/06/07 02:46 AM

Yes it is left handed. It does seem a little low. It was listed for an earlier auction then pulled at the last minute. I noticed a very recent reproof. Perhaps it has some flaws not mentioned. I e-mailed a short list of questions on that gun. I received an e-mail back saying all my questions would be answered in a future e-mail that never arrived.

What about the other hammer gun? Do ejectors push it past 20kUS? It is a 21/2" gun.

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577express
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Re: Holts:2 pdxes and a 7bore [Re: gatsby]
#81090 - 21/06/07 02:22 PM

curious?

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tinker
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Re: Holts:2 pdxes and a 7bore [Re: gatsby]
#81098 - 21/06/07 03:54 PM

Marakai should take a look at This Tolley Giant Grip 12 bore double rifle

His 500/450 bpe has the same patent toplever.

Neat stuff in that auction.
The Lancaster oval bore percussion double rifle is cool.
Mickey should take a look at the 16b pinfire double rifle, I think he's looking for a 16b rifle.

Not the time for me to be looking through such a nice pile of iron and wood...

--Tinker

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gatsby
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Re: Holts:2 pdxes and a 7bore [Re: 577express]
#81101 - 21/06/07 04:49 PM

577,
Curios? Well, yes.

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gatsby
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Re: Holts:2 pdxes and a 7bore [Re: 577express]
#81121 - 22/06/07 02:01 AM

The hammer prices are in, the results:

The Burrard 7 bore Holland 27,000 british. This was a very unique and powerful Holland.

The hammer paradox with original blackpowder proof 2,600 british.

The nitro hammer paradox with ejectors 10,000 british

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Marrakai
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Re: Holts:2 pdxes and a 7bore [Re: gatsby]
#81170 - 23/06/07 09:39 AM

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Marakai should take a look at This

Marrakai did! Marrakai LIKE!

Marvellous stuff! Doesn't say the load, but at near fifteen pounds gun-weight it must be a ball-tearer!

Thanks Tinker.
BTW you just reminded me. ...off to buy a lotto ticket!

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tinker
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Re: Holts:2 pdxes and a 7bore [Re: Marrakai]
#81173 - 23/06/07 10:44 AM

Good!

Really nice as a hammerless gun, also nice to see it unmolested.
Notice the 'three inch cases" comment?
..ball-tearer indeed!

That catolog page is no longer visible.
Pity I didn't copy it before it went away.

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Marrakai
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Re: Holts:2 pdxes and a 7bore [Re: tinker]
#81182 - 23/06/07 07:14 PM

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Pity I didn't copy it before it went away.

I did!

...but I think it's still there, just a little reluctant to open. Try closing and clicking the link again a couple of times....
If not, PM me an e-mail addy that will accept an attached 1/2-meg html file.

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Sarg
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Re: Holts:2 pdxes and a 7bore [Re: Marrakai]
#85387 - 10/09/07 08:10 PM

Hi guys ,I just got back from picking up the ball tearing beasty ( 12 Bore Tolly )!
The chambers look much longer than 3in ,a 3 1/2 shot gun shell fits with ease .
Does any one have any load info on 3in+ 12 bore rifle loads . even bullet weight info ,as there is no info on the rifle ,was re proofed for 3in nitro superior proof load ,I have no idea what this is.

Thanks guys !

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Sarg
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Some help on 3 in + 12 bore loads ! [Re: Sarg]
#85513 - 12/09/07 09:45 PM

Hi guys , I have taken possesion of a J & W Tolly, Hammerless Top lever ,with 3 1/4 chambers ,reproven for Nitro ( Superior proof ) ??
Does any one here have any ideas on load info or source of same for this size case ?
Rifle weights almost 15 Lbs ,24 in barrels .
Any info would be great .

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gatsby
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Re: Some help on 3 in + 12 bore loads ! [Re: Sarg]
#85523 - 13/09/07 12:46 AM

Sarg,
I didn't get a look at the gun at the auction site. What are the particulars, rifle, smooth bore, bore diameter and proofs?

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Sarg
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Re: Some help on 3 in + 12 bore loads ! [Re: gatsby]
#85540 - 13/09/07 08:36 AM

Gatsby , I just did a big thread & it disapeared ,I think it is still on site above ( Tolly Giant Grip )Rifling, very shallow type -almost semi smooth - was 13 bore old proof ,I have not sluged the bore .I am sure its a rifle only -weight - barrel lenght - standing sight ,

Thank you

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