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Sound of the hunter's horn
      #8054 - 02/02/04 03:07 PM

"The hunter's horn sounds early for some, I thought later for others. For some unfortunates, prisoned by city sidewalks and sentenced to a cement jungle more horryfing than anything to be found in Tanganyika, the horn of the hunter never winds at all. But deep in the guts of most men is buried the involuntary response to the hunter's horn, a prickle of the nape hairs, an acceleration of the pulse, an antavistic memory of his fathers, who killed first with stones, and then with club, and then with spear, and then with bow, and then with gun, and finally with formulae. How meek is the man with no importance; somewhere in the pigeon chest of the clerk is still the vestigal remnant of the hunter's heart; somewhere in his nostrils the half-forgotten smell of blood. There is no man with such impoverishment of imagination that at some time he has not wondered how he would handle himself if a lion broke loose from a zoo and he were forced to face him without the protection of bars or handy, climable trees.

There is a simple manifestation of ancient ego, almost as simple as the breeding instinct, simpler than the urge for shelter, because man the hunter lives basically in his belly. It is only when progress puts him in the business of killing other men that the bloodlust surges upward to his brain. And even war is regarded by the individual as sport - the man against a larger and more dangerous lion.

Hunting is simple. Animals are simple. Man himself is simple inside himself. In this must lie some explanation for the fact that zoos are crowded on Sundays and museums which display mounted animals are thronged on weekdays as well as holidays. This must explain the popularity of moving pictures which deal with animals. This explains the lasting popularity of the exploits of Tarzan of the Apes, the half-animal figure created by Edgar Rice Burroughs.

Man is still a hunter, still a simple searcher after meat for his growling belly, still a provider for his helpless mate and cubs. Else why am I here? From the moment he wakes until the moment he closes his eyes, man's prime concern is the business of making a living for himself and his family. "Bring home the bacon" is the modern equivalent of banging a curly mammoth over the head with a big sharp rock.

Man has found it exceedingly difficult lately to decipher the weird incantations and ceremonies which surround the provision of meat and shelter for his spawn. He is mystified by the cabalistic signs of the economist. He does not understand billions of dollars in relationship to him and his family. Parity baffles him; the administration of ceilings and floors and controls and excises and supports does not satisfy his meat urge or his aesthetic response to the chase, when the hunter's horn of necessity rouses him. "These are pretty fine thoughts", I though. I will think some more"."


"Horn of the Hunter", Robert Ruark

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: NitroX]
      #8089 - 03/02/04 10:40 AM

Well spoken! I just finished Horn of the Hunter (for the third time). I don't think I could ever tire of it or Capstick's books! Absolutely outstanding reads!

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: Trex]
      #8099 - 03/02/04 12:43 PM

To everyone

I wonder what 'sounded the hunter's horn' for you the hunter?

Not just Africa but wherever you come from.

Parents hunted, culture, a movie or book ? ..... pleas tell.

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: NitroX]
      #8107 - 03/02/04 01:54 PM

Elephant hunting started for me while I was in prison. My cell mate killed a prison guard, just to watch him die. That was when I was 15 years old.

I was released when I was 16, and one day my mother really ticked me off, so I killed her, just to watch her die.

Every since, I have been a devoted elephant hunter.

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: Will]
      #8117 - 03/02/04 03:27 PM

When I was about 7 or 8 I found a book called "Hunting in Africa" by Frank C Hibben on my late fathers bookshelf. After reading that I was hooked for life.

The odd thing was that years afterwards, I discovered that my Father had a deep & abiding ambition to come here to live and hunt, but had died before he had time to organise for the family to emigrate....... strange huh?

Will, do you get many Elephants in prison? and what sort of crimes do they commit?..........and do they ever apply for ear-----ly release?

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: shakari]
      #8120 - 03/02/04 04:47 PM

From my earliest memory my Dad asked me along on all of his hunts. It was my decision, my birthright, my every waking longing. Some hunts proved my master, some I mastered.

When the early morning roust out was met by my head under the covers, he wouldn't extracate me from my warm den. Rather, he would softly, with the calm of a priest, meet my always impeachable arguments with gentle reason...it was my decision.

As I grew into this right of manhood, waking with the old men and the young bulls in our hunting camp, an awarness of the reason we hunt and the reason we kill God's creatures grew within... from the early planted seeds. It was necessary...my birthright; it was my decision.

At the birth of my son I vowed to plant and nurture the very seeds my father had sown many years before. I taught my boy how to shoot his first BB gun, then pellet gun,... 22,... 410,... 20 gauge...high powered rifle. I rousted him from the cotton and wool womb, pillow over his head, as if to hide like a cartoon ostrich. He came grudgingly, and put on his best face for his dad.

He took his first cottontail at 6...first quail at 7. He posed... the obligatory gun in one hand, dead animal in the other for a proud pop's snapshots.

At 12 and a day he shot his first pronghorn...eight weeks later a fat forked horn muley. But, only at my urging did he take to the field.

Now my son is 34 and married. He doesn't hunt; he seldom fishes...it is his decision, and I respect him for it...

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: Will]
      #8132 - 04/02/04 11:16 AM

Will mate

What sort of horn were you hunting in prison?

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: NitroX]
      #8133 - 04/02/04 11:32 AM

The hunter's horn sounded for me genetically.

My grandfather hunted. My great-grandfather hunted. My great-great-grandfather hunted. And so on. It did skip a generation with my father but that was probably more due to being told to work on the farm while "Dad" and the oldest son went off hunting.

When visiting the part of Europe my ancestors came from I was pleased to see it is still rich with game - boar, roe, fallow, reds, pheasant. And even found a trophy hanging in one of Franz Josef's hunting palaces with a European bison from the region dated at a similar time to when my ancestors left. Of course they were only small landowners and probably poached more than hunted. The local nobility had a palace only two or three kilometres from their village so I imagine they participated in drives etc. My g-g-g-g-grandmother came from a very small village once called "Harte" which in English is a name for a female red deer. Maybe similar meaning in German (?). It still is a tiny village surrounded first by fields and then on all sides by thick forest and only a tiny very narrow surfaced road leading in and finishing in the forest on the far side of the village. 160 years ago probably even wilder. It took 2 hours to find the road to this village.

My parents discouraged me from using or touching firearms. But when I was about eight I took to carrying a .410 double shotgun around, unloaded for play (see doubles are in the blood too ). By nine or ten I was shooting it, mostly self-taught. Soon after a .22 single shot and death to many fruit eating maraudering birds on the farm. Later a 12 gauge side by side. Damascus barrels, external hammers, 2 1/2 inch chambers but full 2 3/4" loads. Eventually I worked out my father and I shouldn't use that gun anymore, other than with special loads as it potentially wasn't safe. Then a .222, and later my .30-06 when I was about 18. A couple of new shotguns somewhere in there too.

Only small game around the farm and blocks but I had and still could get about 15 to 20 square miles of hunting territory. I gave most of it up as I never used it. Trips for goats. Later some fallow deer. Some pigs. Some interstate trips for sambar but University and dreaded work in an evil office stopped most of my hunting until I saw the light again.

I remember a relevation one day. I was watching one of these crap Tarzan movies which I enjoyed. It was showing Tarzan batling the evil hunters. I suddenly realised. I enjoy hunting, there is nothing wrong with hunting. These movies indoctrinate you into believing hunting is wrong. I was probably about ten. So I pursued hunting with a vengeance.

My mother gave me a good how-to hunting magazine and said, we don't want you to get fanatical. It was very informative and I learned a lot from that magazine. I did become fanatical.

It's in the genes you see.



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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: NitroX]
      #8179 - 05/02/04 03:45 AM

I can never remember not hunting. Seriously. my Mom has pictures of me in a knapsack on her back and on my Dad's back before I could walk. My Grandfather owned a Ranch and while he was too busy to actually 'go hunting' he did manage to take more than a few 'targets of opportunity'. I have a friend who was raised down the road who never tasted beef until he was about 12. Beef was a cash crop and too expensive to actually eat.

Staying on the ranch my Grandmother used to take me out on horseback when I was a tike and probably taught me the most, particularly how to shoot. Maybe that's why some people say I shoot like a girl? Anyway, like I said, can't ever remember not hunting or carrying a rifle in the woods.

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: NitroX]
      #8213 - 05/02/04 01:30 PM

When I was a child, my father, who used to fish quite a bit,subscribed to Field & Stream magazine, and of course there were also stories and photos of hunting as well. I read that magazine from cover to cover, over and over. My father never hunted, but I had an uncle who had 4 sons, and they all hunted deer and pheasants here in Pennsylvania. My uncle had a shoulder mount of a 3x3 Whitetail hanging on the wall at the top of the stairs, and I just used to stare at it whenever I visited, just thinking about how beautiful it looked, and someday I'd hunt them too. Well, after I got out of the service in 1970 I took a hunter safety course, bought a 2nd hand 30:06, and started hanging out at the local gun club. One of the old timers took me under his wing, and taught me everything I could take in. That fall, he invited me to hunt on his farm, and I shot a forked horn buck. I think it took me a week for my feet to finally come back down too the ground. Old Billy passed away the following spring, and his farm was sold to make way for a housing developement. I'll be forever in his debt.

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #8985 - 14/02/04 02:36 AM

Gee guys these stories make me feel all warm inside
I don't remember not wanting to hunt, I kinda wish I could have this epiphany/revelation that hunting was for me...but I just remember always sitting in the car and waiting for the shot, then going and watching, then one day my dad handed me the gun and I broke a duck's neck with the .22 and an eight year old man was made
I believe the biggest source of future hunters can be found in the countryside/fishermen groups as they both understand nature and are not full of &^%$ about management of game! If hunters are to have a successful lobby, they need numbers and more than just family groups but NEW blood to replace all those that quit once they get city jobs...


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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: Boghossian]
      #8987 - 14/02/04 03:36 AM

much akin to NEs statements, my birthright is that of the hunter.

my fathers family (of which I am genetically a clone... I can voice-dial my dad's cell phone) has been living in north-central nebraska for somewhere well in excess of 120 years... I believe it to be closer to 170. these were the men of the great and wild west, the settlers and pioneers that shaped this great wild country and broke the land to bend to their wills. these men were not trophy or sport hunters like those of today. they were meat hunters.

My father, as a child, rarely ate meat that was not wild game, it was all they could afford. his father, a carpenter and cabinet-maker, did not garner the salary necessary for the luxury of prepared meats... pheasant, quail, venison, ducks, geese... these were the staples of the families diet.

My father wears this scar to this day. despite all his trappings and his social successes, do not doubt his need to kill. He kills somewhat indescriminately, killing is a skill. he shoots an auto-loader at birds so he can kill more of them, he shoots deer quartered away from him at a full sprint. He's a killer, he hunts not for "sport" so much as because it defines him as his father's son, and as heir to the lineage of his bloodlines.

my brothers and I all bear these marks in different ways... my older brother is quite vicious, competitive, without mincing words, violent. My younger brother is efficient, calm, cool, proficient. He kills only when he needs to.

Somewhere in the middle is where I wallow. I see myself developing more as the gentleman sportsman/hunter that many of you seem to be, but I do admit that the desire to simply kill is in my blood. I am cold, calculating, and thorough in my strikes.

The Horn sounded for me 3 years ago, when upon my marraige I accepted and internalized that I was being called on to protect and support my "family" (no kids yet). Rourke's words are prophetic to me, they very succinctly place my desire and drive, and in no uncertain terms my NEED to kill.

Mind you, this is all wrapped in a package acceptable to general civilization... if only they knew

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: Dark_Helmet]
      #9008 - 14/02/04 11:10 AM

Well, golly gee whiz! You guys are getting to me, I think I got that warm and fuzzy feeling.

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: 475Guy]
      #18624 - 29/08/04 11:52 PM

Some new visitors recently . We welcome your comments too.

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: NitroX]
      #75578 - 05/04/07 02:14 AM

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: NitroX]
      #75593 - 05/04/07 04:00 AM

In my case it is a sort of legacy.My father and his father were hunters.They hunted all sorts of animals including tigers,leopards etc. in India in the good old days.After partition we moved to Pakistan,I was only two years old then and used to listen to my fathers exploits until I grew up.However my father did not hunt at all in Pakistan but the lure of hunting was in my blood and since the age of six or seven I used to shoot birds with my Diana air gun.At fifteen I graduated to a .22 and a few years later got my first shotgun.My mentor and tutor was a gentleman by the name of Saeed Hai,the only Pakistani tennis player to play the Wimbledon,French and US open and an excellent shot with both rifle and shotgun.He taught me to shoot and hunt and even now although he is around eighty accompanies me on shikar though he himself does not shoot as he has arthritis.My hunting genes have now been passed on to my eldest son who is an avid hunter and my youngest who is also very keen on hunting.

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Re: Sound of the hunter's horn [Re: iqbal]
      #75594 - 05/04/07 04:05 AM

Wonderful Iqbal.

A pretty grand family history and it still continues.


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