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Ripp
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Re: Buffalos : what kind of trophy hunter are You ? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #80183 - 08/06/07 09:41 PM

And again, I repeat..the original question on this was "What kind of hunter are you?"--didn't ask if you were fat or out of shape--it was a morality question.

As to the majority of hunters over 50 being overweight, I believe hunters have nothing to do with it.. PEOPLE over 50 are getting to the age where, yes, they probably could be overweight, however in your earlier comments if I remember correctly, there was no age mentioned, just your opinion that American Hunters are fat which I take exception with. As I mentioned, they may be in your circles, but they certainly are not in mine.

That is one of the problems with the chat room mentality. People can spout off all kinds of erroneous info in an attempt to sound like an expert on the subject even though they are not. Come to think of it, they do that out of the chat rooms as well.
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Re: Buffalos : what kind of trophy hunter are You ? [Re: Ripp]
      #80186 - 08/06/07 10:38 PM

Gents!

Ripp, Hoppdoc isn't throwing rocks at you. Certainly there are hunters that keep fit. I would place myself among that group and sounds like you and your crowd are too.

But as you say, the population at-large { } over-50, and indeed, in all age groups according to much material out there, IS overweight, and hunters are among that population, making hunters, yes, on average, clearly overweight. Who can deny that? A stroll in the woods after opening day puts all arguments to rest...

Due to the occupations common in my area, there is stark contrast between the fitness level of local men and men in larger population centers, our local guys in-general being some of the fittest you will find. But Idaho statistics demonstrate a clear, steady and unhealthy gain in average weight over the last 18 years {last statistics I saw were c. 1990-2005}. This effects hunters, too, and relevant to the topic at-hand, impacts hunting style and methods BIG TIME. This is particularly true I suspect with some of the many immigrants to our state who spent their work lives elsewhere and now, retiring in their 50's, want a piece of ground a few years to "enjoy" what our great state has to offer in the hunting fields.

But all-too-often {and it is everywhere proven in hunting season}, this "enjoyment" takes place on/in a vehicle.

The serious crisis as I see it is in our schools where the average weight of schoolkids has grown and represents a serious longterm health concern, not to mention, again, an effect on hunting culture in areas where hunting is part of the culture.

It is true, there are still left wiry, rangy types that wear out their boots before their boots wear them out. You, your buddies, me, my family and many others exist, but that is not the general trend, and indeed, it is IMO from what I see, the clear exception.

As far as methods go, my own opinion is that while I have no problem with stand hunting or the use of bait or any other locally-accepted and legal method, there ARE methods of hunting that represent an achievement or total effort that is greater than that used in other methods. Scoring trophy heads does not measure this achivement. Scoring trophy heads is interesting in that just about everybody enjoys seeing a big rack/horns, etc but it would be desireable in my opinion if some method could be devised to clearly rank the physical challenge of a hunt. I admit that such a scoring is probably a pipedream due to a whole host of reality-issues, but IMO if we we hunters want to present the best face of hunting to the non-hunting population, physical prowess and fair-chase would both {they are not necessarily the same thing} be of service in that effort.

I also want to encourage anyone reading this thread who feels motivated to make a positive lifestyle change to do so! Yes, the thought of daily exercise may be intimidating, but the results are worth it! See your Doc, make a plan, start slow and just watch how it changes your appreciation of the hunt and the activities you are thus able to enjoy!

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Re: Buffalos : what kind of trophy hunter are You ? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #80203 - 09/06/07 03:36 AM

Dear Gentlemen ! Please cool down ! It was not my intention that we start blaming each other, be aware of the anti-hunters and bunny-huggers. Nobody is perfect, not even me ! For example I can walk but am not a superb marksman ( another reason to get close ).
But initially I was concerned about the future of our quarry, in this case the African buffalo, or any other game species as well.
A couple of days ago I read again " Nyati - The Art of Hunting the African Buffalo " from the well known African Hunter Magazine. I have read a sentence ( on page 17 )that tells You my concern : " It is generally accepted that shooting bulls out of breeding herds is poor conservation practice as the disturbance disrupts the herd causing reductions in fertility and may result in spontaneous abortion. "
I would like to turn the discussion in that direction for the benefit of my beloved buffalos.

Kalunga

Wicked good hunting !!!


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Re: Buffalos : what kind of trophy hunter are You ? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #80205 - 09/06/07 04:16 AM

Good day,

I agree 100% with most of what has been said. I just get tired of individuals making off the hip statements when they really have not done something,know little about it, or make generalized statements and just say whatever -- just to be heard.

I agree with the info stated, in general ALL people are getting soft--that is the nature of the world in which we live--unfortunately,.,I just heard the average kid in the US listens to TV over 2 hours a day..also stated was the fact that the parents that don't allow this and spend more time with their children --the children get in less trouble, better grades and better health.

Back to the buffalo--yes it would stand to reason, if the dominant bull in the heard is removed, the gene pool will be affected. Unfortunately there are those that care more about the immediate gratification versus the welfare of the heard. Tanzania may have the right idea with the 6 yr old or older lion idea. I don't know nor do I have all the answers but we clearly dwell in a sport that has to be actively pursued and managed by the hunters or all will be for nothing.
Ripp


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Re: Buffalos : what kind of trophy hunter are You ? [Re: Kalunga]
      #80206 - 09/06/07 04:18 AM

Kalunga--you still looking for a .500?? I saw that Hyem USA will have new ones available later this year..Also I have seen one or two on the web for sale. Just curious.
thx
Ripp


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Re: Buffalos : what kind of trophy hunter are You ? [Re: Ripp]
      #80211 - 09/06/07 04:47 AM

Ripp, I know what ( and whom ) You are talking about. But I wish we hunters would keep together and not fight against each other. Same here in Germany, very few "we" but lots of "I want". Civilization is deterioration of a culture, as a friend of mine uses to say. And I feel I am born at least 80 years too late.
Yes I am still looking for a double in .500 N.E. 3", I really want it badly. But I got the money almost together and hopefully will get a good one this year.
Do You know the conflict of a determined hunter, either another safari or a new rifle ? I wanted to go to Guinea ( for buffalo hunting of course ), but the situation there seems to be chaotic, so I will most propably spend the money on a double and start saving for the next safari again.
I believe it`s easier to buy a rifle here than in the US, no hassle with export / import permits and the possibility to have a thorough look at the tool. But thank You for the nice offer !

Kalunga


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Re: Buffalos : what kind of trophy hunter are You ? [Re: Kalunga]
      #80235 - 09/06/07 09:09 AM

Kalunga-

My apologies for diverting your excellent thread.I agree with your commentary on buffalo and concerns. They are quite valid.

Ripp--

Sorry to offend you with my commentary but those are my observations from hunting/practicing medicine for 3 decades.Obviously,I was not specific enough and you and your friends are an exception.

Cheers to you!!

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Re: Buffalos : what kind of trophy hunter are You ? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #80270 - 10/06/07 01:46 AM

Ripp--

Sorry to offend you with my commentary but those are my observations from hunting/practicing medicine for 3 decades.Obviously,I was not specific enough and you and your friends are an exception.

Cheers to you!!




No problem--let's move on--life is short and getting shorter every day..

Take Care,

Ripp


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