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DoubleD
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Spiral horned slam
      #77419 - 26/04/07 02:41 AM

Can some one tell me what a spiral horned slam is?

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DPhillips
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Re: Spiral horned slam [Re: DoubleD]
      #77422 - 26/04/07 03:13 AM

I've always heard of it as the 9 principle spiral horns. There are so many subspecies that you could really sidetracked, though. The 9 principle spiral horns would be:
Bongo
Mountain Nyala
Common Nyala
Sitatunga
Bushbuck
Greater Kudu
Lesser Kudu
Lord Derby Eland
One of the other Eland (Livingston, Cape, etc...)

I guess except for the Mountain Nyala, Common Nyala and Lord Derby Eland there are several subspecies of the others so you end up having "slams" of Greater Kudu or Bushbuck, whether they are recognized by some record book or not. There are at least two subspecies of Bongo, maybe 3? I can't recall how many different subspecies of bushbuck there are, but it's about a gazillion...


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DoubleD
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Re: Spiral horned slam [Re: DPhillips]
      #77490 - 27/04/07 02:52 AM

Okay, not what I expected. Over heard a fellow say to another fellow that he had got all four of his animals for his South Afrcia spiral horned slam....so I suppose he meant Nyala, Bushbuck, Kudu and Eland

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jorge
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Re: Spiral horned slam [Re: DoubleD]
      #77495 - 27/04/07 04:29 AM

Eland's not a true spiral horn. jorge

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DPhillips
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Re: Spiral horned slam [Re: jorge]
      #77496 - 27/04/07 04:46 AM

Quote:

Eland's not a true spiral horn. jorge



If being of the Genus Tragelaphus is what is required to be considered to be a member of the spiral horns, then the Elands would not be included. But, every time I've seen the spiral list mentioned, the Lord Derby and Livingston(e)/Cape are included. They certainly are the tastiest of the ones listed!!!

I have always heard of it as the spiral horn 9. I'm not a list person and doesn't matter a whit to me.


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Re: Spiral horned slam [Re: DPhillips]
      #77560 - 28/04/07 04:59 AM





If being of the Genus Tragelaphus is what is required to be considered to be a member of the spiral horns, then the Elands would not be included.



Correct! I'm not a "list" guy either, but it sure would be nice to have all 9 correct or not! jorge


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Re: Spiral horned slam [Re: jorge]
      #77748 - 01/05/07 05:05 AM

to stretch the spiral horn slam a bit far
add :

the western great Kudu : it lives in a pocket in the north of the CAR and south of Chad, 1000 km from the closest current great kudu .It looks like the usual kudu but its trophy cannot compete.The was a pocket in Sudan where roam the great kudu too, but knowing the atrocious reputation of the Sudaneses, I doubt they strive in Darfour.

Amongst the bushbucks, the western bushbuck is bearing a white harness on a reddish coat, the contrast is striking compared to the almost plain coat of the Limpopo's.
Let alone the almost black bushbuck in Ethiopia.

bongo : there is the western bongo living (theoritically from the Atlantic ocean in Liberia to west in the CAR. In fact mainly in CAR, Cameroon, Congos.
Another variety is the Kenyan bongo, now off limits for hunters but not for poachers.

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Re: Spiral horned slam [Re: larcher]
      #77750 - 01/05/07 05:21 AM

larcher,
There are so many unique spirals a hunter could spend an entire lifetime pursuing those alone it would seem... The Western species of each, plus those found in Ethiopia, like the Menelik's bushbuck, Abyssynian Greater Kudu, etc... Are the swamp Sitatunga like those found in the Okavango classed differently than the forest Sitatunga found in CAR or Cameroon?


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