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hoppdoc
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BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS??
      #72552 - 26/02/07 07:53 PM

If one already has a Big Bore Double for nasties and wishes to consider a second scoped medium Double to do double duty for accuracy more than smack---

Accuracy is not the Big Bore forte cause crunch power is needed for close range encounters.Still, hunting situations for long range accuracy do occur.

The 9.3 x 74R is reasonable accurate scoped but many do not consider it a "longer range" Double at 2150 fps.The 450/400 scoped is great but again not a "longer range" Double at 2150 fps. "Long Range" being 250+ yards. Bullet theory suggests more bullet velocity should give less drop and longer legs.

As a followup to 500 grains thread discussing the theory of Double long range acuraccy I have been told that a O/U has more long range accuracy potential than a SxS due to the stacked barrels.Is this valid?

What are the LONG RANGE MEDIUM DOUBLE candidates? DO ANY EXIST?

Would the 375 H&H be one?
How about a qd scoped 375 H&H O/U vs a qd scoped SxS?
Are there others?

Can a medium Double realistically be a "long range" rifle??

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Re: BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #72694 - 28/02/07 07:08 AM

Hi hoppdoc
I think any conventional double is not the right weapon for long range work, but if You look at the Blaser S2 You have to admit that from a technical point of view, it is superior to the "old" generation of classic design. The ingenious action easily takes the pressure of modern magnums and the free floating barrels shoot to the same point of impact all the time, cold or hot, so if You would have to take a second shot at 300 yards, it could be done, no matter how many seconds after the first. And Blaser rifles have a very good reputation here in Germany concerning accuracy.
Imagine a Blaser S2 in .338 Weatherby or .300 Jarret fittet with the new Zeiss rifle scope with integrated range finder ! Every Kudu or Elk within 400 yards would be in big trouble with the right guy behind that set.
But let me just say here that I prefer getting close to the game so such a modern (and ugly !) gun would never enter my gun safe ! Just my humble opinion.

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Re: BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #72699 - 28/02/07 08:40 AM

hoppdoc,

I hope the "real" answer comes forth in this discussion because I'm trying to talk myself into a medium bore double for elk/moose/kudu/eland/PG game. Here is my problem: my QD/scope mounted bolt action 375 H&H regularly puts 3 shots into 4-6" @ 300 yards. If a medium double, ideally a SxS, will/would do that, then my checking account is going to take a hit!!

I think/believe that long range shots (250+) are more common in USA than Africa. Still it would be very satisfying to hunt Africa with both a big bore and a medium bore double. Medium would need to have QD scope.

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Re: BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS?? [Re: AzGuy]
      #72700 - 28/02/07 09:04 AM

My thoughts exactly--

If a 375H&H Double could shoot 1.5 MOA out to 250-300 yds with a qd scope I think it would be a go to option vs a bolt as a 2nd DG safari gun(Primary gun- heavy Double).
You could get aimed on target with the 2nd shot faster if needed and still have the advantages of a Double if things got close range sticky suddenly and you were carrying the "wrong" gun.

So yes, I would much rather carry a Double 375 as b/u( assuming it accurate at distance) on Safari than a 375 bolt anyday!

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Re: BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS?? [Re: AzGuy]
      #72703 - 28/02/07 09:20 AM

I have a J. Winkler in .300 Win. Mag. that really delivers. View it here. The last time I shot it long range I took a whitetail across a harvested cornfield at the distance of 265 yards, one shot.

It regularly shoots 1 1/4" 4-shot groups at 100 yards. It is regulated for 220 grain bullets, so it is ready for elk and larger species.

It took two black bears in B.C. in May 2005. Both were inside 100 yards, one shot kills.

The medium bore DR's can really shine. Don't believe they are only for up close and personal.

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Re: BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS?? [Re: CptCurl]
      #72711 - 28/02/07 09:49 AM

THAT kind of shooting really fires me up.To have a rifle with the potential of 1.5 MOA per barrel and a close spread between the two barrels at distance would be a treasure.

I would love to take a 375 H&H Double elk hunting and have all the bolt guys laugh and gawk only become speechless when an animal is dropped by hitting it twice rapidly.One shot is rarely enough for a quick put down on elk and most times the second anchoring shot is VERY important and can prevent a LONG day.An accurate 375 Double would be GREAT for hunting big Game in NA and the rockies!!

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Re: BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #72722 - 28/02/07 11:03 AM

I have experienced very good accuracy with my .375 Mag. as well. It's topped with a 1.5-6 Swarovski.



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Re: BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS?? [Re: CptCurl]
      #72749 - 28/02/07 01:44 PM

Handsome rifle!!

I'm envious!

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Re: BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #73083 - 04/03/07 01:24 PM

Quote:

As a followup to 500 grains thread discussing the theory of Double long range acuraccy I have been told that a O/U has more long range accuracy potential than a SxS due to the stacked barrels.Is this valid?

Can a medium Double realistically be a "long range" rifle??



My quote from another thread .....
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First, the top misconception is that double rifles are only capable of a "minute of GRAPEFRUIT" Accuracy at no more than 50 yds. This is absolutely not true! Under hunting conditions, with proper loads, the double rifle is as accurate as any hunting rifle! The key is knowing what constitutes a "PROPER LOAD"! Even very experienced handloaders, do not usually have the expertese to load a proper load for a double rifle. You would not believe the number of fine double rifles I have bought because the guy bought it, and then couldn't make it shoot. All that had to be done was to build a PROPER load for the rifle, meanwhile, the guy who sold it to me thought he was getting rid if a LEMON!

Second, is that few deer, elk, and moose hunters have that "KEY",to a proper load, and if the ammo that will regulate in the double doesn't come from Wally world, they won't bother with it!




There is absolutely ne difference ith the properly loaded, and regulated double rifle between an O/U, and a S/S! It is no easier to get a long range load for one than the other. It simply takes working up a proper load for the rifle, as all double rifles are regulated to shoot paralell with the proper load!

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Re: BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS?? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #73120 - 04/03/07 08:43 PM

Mac--

Excellent comment.No doubt proper regulation of the bullets should make a fine Double a long range proposition.

My comment was made with consideration of the prior Double maker recommendation to shoot the right barrel first in mind.Perhaps the right barrel heating up affects the harmonics of the left barrel? Would this imply an O/U be shot top barrel first?

One wonders if a O/U Double rifle heating up the top barrel first would affect the flight/harmonics of a long range shot with the lower barrel.

All this is mental BS--unless it seems to really matter in the field.Rifles are quirky.The only way to know would be to shoot and see and I don't have the SxS or O/U rifles to sort out 250-300 yd accuracy. I would love to try it with a scoped 375 Double H&H SxS vs O/U though---

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Edited by hoppdoc (04/03/07 08:48 PM)

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Re: BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS?? [Re: CptCurl]
      #73166 - 05/03/07 10:38 AM

Curl,

BEAUTIFUL 375!!!

What kind of accuracy @ 100 & 200 yards?

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Re: BEST LONG RANGE SCOPED MEDIUM DOUBLE? O/U VS SxS?? [Re: AzGuy]
      #73208 - 05/03/07 10:28 PM

Thanks Arizona,

It is quite accurate. It's regulated for 300 grain bullets. I use loads intended for the .375 Flanged.

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