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470NEBD
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Kodiak .72
      #72067 - 21/02/07 04:49 AM

Just received my rifle the other day from cabelas, the fit and Finnish is very good, basic field grade . Tested it with 100gr of 777 both barrels grouped around 3" at 50 yards, this from the center of the point of aim. I just ordered some different nipples ( Hot Shots), the two on this rifle "suck". I think this gun has a lot of promise and if reworked can handle the 200gr loads with no problem. I think the rear sight needs to be changed to a express sight. I beleive this is a good go out and play with rifle that has a lot of potential, I am unsure about dangerous game pursuit's but, definitely anything in N America.

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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: 470NEBD]
      #72075 - 21/02/07 05:26 AM

"Colorado's" Kodiak regulated with up to 170gr. (or so) of T7. Regulation & recoil will dictate how much powder you can use.

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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: DarylS]
      #72130 - 21/02/07 01:01 PM

Excuse me for putting my nose into something I know almost nothing about. I feel I need to ask this question:

What is the considered opinion of Triple 7?

I ask this because I read Sherman Bell's article some time back in the Double Gun Journal in which he found serious pressure excursions in 777 loads shot in his .450 3.25" pressure gun. I have never fired a shot of 777, but his comments made me feel shy of that propellant.

I don't mean to take you off topic. Please keep us informed of progress with the Pedersoli .72. That is a rifle I would like to try out. Just too bad it's illegal in the muzzle load season in Virginia (and most everywhere).

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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: CptCurl]
      #72184 - 22/02/07 04:28 AM

Cpt. Curl - illegal - due to having 2 barrels?
: I have only shot a few rounds of T7 myself, and only from my .45 Flinter with a BP booster. To much hassel.
; As to the pressure excursions - one need only look at the 'quality' single shot rifle action of a .45 3-1/4" BPE that was blown to smithereenies by using too fine a grade of real BP. This as pictured in Greeners book. The 120gr.(only) charge detonated, destroying the action and barrel.
: We sometimes become complacent with BP and it's substitutes - writings of the 70's and 80's where prominent, but 'learning streak' gun writers repeated 'myth's' as being fact as they had little or no knowledge themeselves and got paid by the word. Things like you can not put in to much powder as any excess will just blow out the muzzle. Bull - crap!
: The .45 3-1/4", loaded with a 500gr. bullet and 140gr. 2F developes 28,000PSI breech pressure according to Accurate Arms who tested the Sharps before developing their own data. In the 70's, the writers said the maximun BP could possibly produce was 15,000PSI.
; Be careful out there.

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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: DarylS]
      #72191 - 22/02/07 05:15 AM

Daryl,

Yes the law requires a single shot only. Now mind you, I can buy an inline super-dooper whizbang ultra-modern muzzle loader, scope it with modern optics, and load it with a sabot 30 caliber bullet to approximate .308 Win ballistics. That's all legal. But I can't use an ultra-traditional muzzleloading double rifle because two shots are available. Stupid? Yes.

I also appreciate your comments about BP pressures. Did you read Bell's article that I referred to?

Curl

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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: CptCurl]
      #72215 - 22/02/07 10:37 AM

Curl- no I didn't see that article, wish I had. I've only picked up a couple DG Journals, years ago. Is the article in a current one? One of the newstands downtown carries them & I can try to find one for the article, or read it in the store - HA!
: We lost our "Primitive Weapons" season for a number of reasons. Primary reasons were the lost moose, wounded by maxiballs fired from .50's and .54's with button rifled 48" twist rifles, popular in those days and advertised as dual purpose due to the buttoned rifling in a round ball twist.
: The game branch over-flew the area after every year and saw 10's of lost dead moose. They'd land and do an autopsy and find 1 or more maxiballs in each which they kept. Every year, the same thing.
: The never found a lost dead moose with a round ball or normal conical in it, which speaks volumes for the round ball shooters and the Whitworth shooters then. The Whitworths were the only real slug guns avaialble, with their 22" twist barrels.
: When the Knights and Whites showed up, the season was cancelled - the bolt acitons and scopes really put the game officers off their feed.
; The last year of the hunt, 2 game officers shared a pot of coffee with 3 of us, in our tent and told us of all of this. They then said, if everyone had been hunting with guns and balls such as us, the season would not be cancelled, but that the 2 trucks they checked out that morning on the drive into the area, had 1 scoped Knight inline + a scoped .30/06 or 7m mag in the cab for 3 hunters. They said the .30/06 was only for wolves and they shared the musket-loader for moose. The Game boys said, "that's going too far - this is the last season boys, I hope you get your moose". The maxiballs left them wondering if a muzzleloader could kill a moose - yet we'd taken lots of them by then, with single patched round balls, even in the guns where guys had previously been wounding them with maxis. Common were the days when they'd return to camp saying I 'think' I got maxi's into 2 bulls this morning, but they ran away & I lost them.
: The season has now re-opened, but only for deer - side hammer, round ball only allowed in the area during the season. Gone is our moose hunt - thank-you Knight and all the rest of the money grubbing gun makers for ruining our sport!

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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: DarylS]
      #72227 - 22/02/07 11:53 AM

I have a Kodiak 12 bore also and have taken mine to 150 grains of 777, but she regulated nicely at 110 grains. Why 777? because I can't get black powder locally. I would have to order 25 pounds of the stuff! My brother (Colorado) has shot his with pyrodex, BP and 777 - and gets the best results with 777. As mine will shot a 3.5" 4 shot group at 50 yards on 777, i'll stay with it.

A word about the Kodiak 12 bore. If you are wanting to play around with a double but can't cough up 7 to 10 thousand bucks for a try, GET THIS GUN! The quality is great and you have a rifle that will kill anything save DG. All for under $1000.00 Remember, them men who came before us shot these rifles.

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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: bonanza]
      #72249 - 22/02/07 03:20 PM

Daryl,

Sherman Bell has run a series of articles over the past 4 or 5 year in which he ran pressure tests on various black powder and nitro-for-black loads in both shotguns and rifles. He rigged up his own pressure guns using pezio-electric strain gauges. The pressure gun for rifle testing was an old military 98 Mauser he had barreled up for .450 3.25". It was testing the .450 loads that he reported abberations with 777.

Sounds like the industry and the slob hunters pretty well screwed up your BP moose hunts. That's too bad.

I'm still trying to build the courage to try your methods for round balls in a 12 gauge shotgun. I am really frightened that the balls might peen the chokes or split the barrels at the muzzles. I wish I had a shotgun with cylinder bores to use.

Bonanza,

You make the Pedersoli sound good. Didn't either you or your brother have to send one back? Can you elaborate on your experiences with these rifles? I am really tempted to try one out.

Cheers,
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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: CptCurl]
      #72323 - 23/02/07 09:38 AM

Good gun.

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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #72331 - 23/02/07 12:53 PM

Mine worked perfectly out of the box. Can't wait until it warms up and I can go shoot my smoke pole.

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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: bonanza]
      #72334 - 23/02/07 01:17 PM

Colorado and Bonanza,

That makes me really want to play with one.

Do you think they fixed the problem with the tumbler?

Curl

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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: CptCurl]
      #72594 - 27/02/07 06:05 AM

Curl,

According to Cabela's they have solved the problem with the tumblers. Get one ASAP before the prices go up.


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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #72623 - 27/02/07 11:32 AM

Just what I need - another toy in the house.

Just looked and didn't find it on Cabelas website. Maybe I'm safe.

Curl

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Re: Kodiak .72 [Re: 470NEBD]
      #78642 - 14/05/07 05:30 PM

G'day mate I was thinking of getting one known as the African express Mk 3 with cape buff engraving in .72
as they are now using in South Africa using 500grn maxi.

Your thoughts.

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