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Rahkling7
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Sweet 16 hunt
      #70714 - 03/02/07 05:52 AM

Hello everyone.. new to the board but have already learned at least one thing this morning by reading posts and hope to learn a lot more from the resevoir of knowledge here.

My daughter, who is already an experienced hunter and marksman turns 16 in late spring 2008 and rather than a party she wants a safari trip to Africa with the goal of taking a nice Kudu. Of course I was thrilled with the idea and very proud that she would prefer this type of experience to a one time party. I have spent considerable time on line researching but, of course, first hand experience where all the fluff of a web site can be cast aside is much better and that is what I hope everyone here can help me with.. so on with the questions!

- What I learned and had not seen in any of my on line wanderings is that semi autos are apparently illegal to import in several African countries. We had planned on using a Benneli R1 (already owned) semi auto as the primary weapon (I know don't he me to hard on this one, but recoil was a consideration). We were intially leaning toward Namibia. What countries are semi autos banned?

- That brings me to caliber... 300 win mag sufficient? As I mentioned above a Benelli R 1 will be the primary weapon with a Weatherby mk V synthetic/stainless as back up in the same caliber. The glass on top will be provided by Leupold.

- One reason we had considered Namibia is that from everything I could discern it is a very safe destination. Is this true and what countries would be a safety concern for us.. no desire to put my 16 year old daughter in a compromising siutaiton.

- now perhaps the most important question. I would like an outfitter that may have a specific program for a young first time Africa hunter. We have had one bad experience at a lodge hunting upland game which had, should we say, a bit too much of an adult atmosphere. It would be nice if the program has special pricing for youth hunts. We have been on a few of these in the states and had good experiences both times. Any suggestions?

- Even though we would like a hunt specifically desgined for her we would want an outfitter and a PH who would try to put us in a position to harvest a nice kudu (our goal would be one north of 50 inches). In other words I am not inetrested in traveling all the way to Africa for a chance at a Kudu spike (equivelent) with a single shot 243... if you understand where I coming from.

- we would be interested in attempting to take at least one more trophy animal of the antelope family while there... thinking perhaps red hartebeast. Any suggestions on this point?

- we were planning on 5 days actual hunting.. is that enough time? Only she will hunt.

Anything else anyone on her would like to add as advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!


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Double_Trouble
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Re: Sweet 16 hunt [Re: Rahkling7]
      #70715 - 03/02/07 05:59 AM

Rahkling7
i can't comment on your questions as i have no direct experience hunting on the dark continent but i can offer a warm welcome to a great site.

i am sure that you will get plenty of good input ( and some good humoured ribbing as well) from the members here.

Enjoy NE.com !

DT

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bulldog563
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Re: Sweet 16 hunt [Re: Rahkling7]
      #70726 - 03/02/07 09:47 AM

Welcome to the site!

I am not sure which countries have a ban on semi auto's (personally dont use them) but a 300 Mag will be more then sufficient for any Plains Game you will encounter. Just make sure your daughter can shoot it well. If the recoil bothers her I would go with a 30-06 or maybe a 270 if she is a good shot.

Safety.... For the kind of hunt you are looking at I would think SA and Namibia would be the better options. I have never been to Namibia but have been to SA many, many times and never had a problem. It is like anywhere else. Use your head on when/where you walk around and you will be fine. SA is a beautiful country and it gets a bad rap as far as crime/danger is concerned (obviously, there are bad spots like anywhere else in the world. Use some common sense and you will not likely have a problem). There is lots to see. If you don't want to see the sights then likely your operator will pick you up from the airport and take you to the lodge/camp, then take you back to the airport when you are finished.

Youth hunts... While I personally dont know of an outfitter that offers special youth hunts (never asked), I am sure they are out there. Ask for references with younger children and see how the hunt went, if the PH was good with them and if the younger hunters had a good time. I am sure you wont have a problem finding a good outfitter/PH. There are a few on this site with very good reputations.

I think 5 days of hunting would be plenty of time to take two trophy animals.

More advice;

Join The Hunting Report and use it as a tool to check out potential outfitters. Get her out on the range and hunting as much as possible between now and then. If you are going to buy a new rifle/scope, do it early so she can practice with it for as long as possible. Have Fun and Good Luck!

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Re: Sweet 16 hunt [Re: Rahkling7]
      #70737 - 03/02/07 02:34 PM



Rahkling7

Welcome to the NitroExpress.com website. I hope you enjoy it and find what you are looking for here.

I think your daughter is both a very lucky girl to get a safari as a gift and also a special girl in wanting it! So you will want to have a safari to remember for both of you.

Why don't you do some hunting yourself? A 2x1 daughter and father hunt would be a great idea. If you give your daughter priority I don't think it would make a difference at all to her.

Quote:

- What I learned and had not seen in any of my on line wanderings is that semi autos are apparently illegal to import in several African countries. We had planned on using a Benneli R1 (already owned) semi auto as the primary weapon (I know don't he me to hard on this one, but recoil was a consideration). We were intially leaning toward Namibia. What countries are semi autos banned?


- One reason we had considered Namibia is that from everything I could discern it is a very safe destination. Is this true and what countries would be a safety concern for us.. no desire to put my 16 year old daughter in a compromising siutaiton.




I can't answer the semi-auto question but someone here will be able to.

Namibia is a great country to consider. I hunted there last year and the feel of the place was very safe. Windhoek is not a big city and seemed a pleasant place. It also seemed better organised than any African country I have visited (8) except maybe Botswana. The roads were good, shops had things on the shelves (note they were a gunshop and a farm supplies shop, not a young ladies boutique!). All in all seemed a nice place.

South Africa would be another choice but the big cities are not as easy to travel in, due to the crime rate. However on a safari one is almost always 100% OK as the outfitter looks after you.

Great plains game hunting in Namibia and what I liked was the properties seemed larger and there is great choice between free range and fenced properties.




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- That brings me to caliber... 300 win mag sufficient? As I mentioned above a Benelli R 1 will be the primary weapon with a Weatherby mk V synthetic/stainless as back up in the same caliber. The glass on top will be provided by Leupold.




A 300 Win Mag is absolutely fine. If recoil is an issue, a .30-06 would also be fine.


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- now perhaps the most important question. I would like an outfitter that may have a specific program for a young first time Africa hunter. We have had one bad experience at a lodge hunting upland game which had, should we say, a bit too much of an adult atmosphere. It would be nice if the program has special pricing for youth hunts. We have been on a few of these in the states and had good experiences both times. Any suggestions?

- Even though we would like a hunt specifically desgined for her we would want an outfitter and a PH who would try to put us in a position to harvest a nice kudu (our goal would be one north of 50 inches). In other words I am not inetrested in traveling all the way to Africa for a chance at a Kudu spike (equivelent) with a single shot 243... if you understand where I coming from.

- we would be interested in attempting to take at least one more trophy animal of the antelope family while there... thinking perhaps red hartebeast. Any suggestions on this point?




I think a lot of outfitters would be able to customise the safari for you.

You ask for recommendations. I hunted with Karl Stumpfe from Ndumo Safaris, and he is on this forum as well. I am not an agent or anything so this is just a personal recommendation. Karl also hunts in South Africa and Zimbabwe.

Karls website

I found Karl very level headed and he has a very level disposition. I think both you and your daughter would enjoy him as a PH. When we organised my safari we discussed quite a few options, as to camps, areas to hunt etc so you should be able to find what you want. The hotel we stayed at in the Kalahari had a gourmet chef as the part-owner so we were spoiled there. I do prefer a separate camp, but the food there was rememorable.




As for trophy quality I don't think that would be an issue. I took nice gemsbok and springbok and red hartebeest. Plus warthog. Could have taken nice eland, great duiker and steenbok but foolishly turned down the latter.

I would discuss kudu with your outfitter and what they can offer if it is Namibia and your daughter has her heart set on a good one ie 50" plus is a good one. However the numbers were damaged by a rabies outbreak. They will recover but many are younger. So ask your outfitter specifically about the properties he is proposing if this is a strong objective.


They are there, even if hidden!

Hartebeest is a sore point for me. I have loved hunting them, but always have had problems! The gods of luck, eh? However with Karl we did score a good trophy. They are an unusal looking beast.



I would hunt springbok with your daughter. They are a beautiful antelope and I think she would enjoy one.




Quote:

- we were planning on 5 days actual hunting.. is that enough time? Only she will hunt.




For two animals probably OK but probably the minimum. My guess is she will take additional animals. Your outfitter can advise.

One thing to consider is why not spend two or three days game viewing at a park. Maybe Etosha. I haven't been there, but I have always enjoyed spending time at a park as well as hunting. A good place for photography, as game in hunting areas tend to run away quicker .





(Edited a faulty link. ErikD. )



Edited by ErikD (07/02/07 09:53 AM)


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NE450No2
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Re: Sweet 16 hunt [Re: Rahkling7]
      #70739 - 03/02/07 03:59 PM

take a look at www.brooklandssafaris.com in Zimbabwe.

Their SAVE Valley conservency location is covered up in plains game. No hartebeast, however they have good kudu, wildebeast, impala, eland, warthog, zebra, giraffe, baboons, and bushbuck.

She will see a lot of elephants, and might even see black and white rino.

A 308 is plenty of gun.

You will stay in "tents" with ensuite bathroom facilities, and their food is great.

I have been all over Zim, big towns, small towns, remote villages, no problems.


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Re: Sweet 16 hunt [Re: Rahkling7]
      #70740 - 03/02/07 04:04 PM

The Namibia Professional Hunting Association's website says:

Firearms

Smallest calibre 7 mm.
Minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity): 1350 Joule for springbuck, duiker etc.
2700 Joule for hartebeest, wildebeest, kudu, gemsbuck, eland etc.
5400 Joule for buffalo, elephant, rhino etc.

No solid point cartridge is allowed to be used on antelope or any other species.
!! Handguns and automatic weapons are prohibited. !!

which I alway interpreted as prohibiting semi-autos. If you email them they can probably clarify it for you. If not, I know people I can ask.

Benelli did a show there with the R1 when it came out, and I was one of those who wondered how they were able to do that.

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Re: Sweet 16 hunt [Re: Rahkling7]
      #70742 - 03/02/07 04:27 PM

Sorry -- I should have tried to address more of your questions.

1. With good shot placement a .300 mag should be more than enough gun for Kudu.

2. I felt safe in Namibia in 2005 and am lobbying to take my oldest daugher when she is a bit older. Like any place, you should not just wander around cities without knowing where you are. Africa changes every year, so you should always check current conditions.

3. I do not know about specific first-time or young hunter programs. If you go to the Dallas Safari Club or SCI/Reno shows you can meet PH's in person and assess how you think they will do with you and your daughter. You can also find out if you can have camp exclusivity, which will help you set the atmosphere. I hunted with Classic Safaris and Vaughan Fulton has two daughters -- I think he would appreciate your needs.

4. If you are in the right concession or ranch you should be able to get a 50 inch or or better Kudu given enough effort and time. Be straightforward about your expectations when talking to PHs or outfitters and ask specifically what the average Kudu was that they have taken in the last two-three years. However, I would not consider my hunt a loss if I took an old 48 inch Kudu after hunting hard for many days.

5. The other animals available will depend on where you hunt. In Namibia, Hartebeest are found in some areas and not others (unless introduced). Where I hunted, Gemsbok, Mountain Zebra, and Springbok were plentiful, and there were Eland (limited quota), Giraffe, and Ostrich. There are plenty of places with Hartebeest if you want one. I like the looks of a Gemsbok bull more, but that is personal preference.

6. Africa is a long way away from the States and I want to have as many hunting days there as I can. I recommend seven or more days if you can do it. You may find a big Kudu on day one, or it may take quite a while. Plus, you want some time to enjoy the country.

I love to hunt here at home with all three of my girls and if I can tell you anything else let me know. There are many here who have spent a lot more time in Africa than I have, though.

Some pictures from my trip in 2005.

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Some pictures from Zimbabwe

An Elephant Story

Edited by Charles_Helm (03/02/07 04:29 PM)


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Re: Sweet 16 hunt [Re: Charles_Helm]
      #70927 - 07/02/07 04:20 AM

As a member of the fairer sex I can speak from experience on this subject! Namibia is a fine choice and like some mentioned above you should consider a 2X1 father/daughter hunt. I work with several good outfitts in Namibia and would be happy to get you set up with any one of them.

I have camps available that offer accommodations ranging from comfortable traditional tented camps with all of the amenities as well as thatch and stone chalets. All are very private and comfortable. You and your daughter will be the only ones in camp so the atmosphere will be what you both make it.

No autos or semi-auto guns in Africa.

She would do well with a nice bolt action .30-06 with 180 grain soft points for plains game. Rifles are always available to rent in camp as well. If your daughter wants to talk to a woman with any concerns I am happy to speak to her.

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Re: Sweet 16 hunt [Re: AspenHill]
      #70928 - 07/02/07 04:21 AM

BTW- Great photos, John, that red hartebeest is huge......

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