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OWD
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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: duggaboybuff]
#73012 - 04/03/07 12:13 AM

I'd rather watch regular porn than waste my time with MS's stuff.

Death porn isn't for me, especially MS's ego filled episodes.

Disgusting.

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clark7781
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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: Showbart]
#73042 - 04/03/07 05:08 AM

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Those of you who'd like to see him get killed will likely have to wait a long time.

It only takes on misplaced shot, hang fire or dud.

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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: clark7781]
#73050 - 04/03/07 05:47 AM

Perhaps I don't understand something here.

Some one said that Hippo was bought and paid for. That hippo in the flick, was bought an paid for, no other? So you had to shot that hippo no matter what because you were paying anyway for it.

No passing it up for a better shot at another hippo?

And they didn't shot the hippo when it was standing because there was no shot is that correct?

Do you pay extra for a charge? Or can you just buy a standing hippo for less money?

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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: Showbart]
#73062 - 04/03/07 07:24 AM

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Mark accepts the risk. Those of you who'd like to see him get killed will likely have to wait a long time. Few can do what he does, year in year out.

As stated, these animals are bought and paid for by the client. Clients are not promised any charge, in fact most of his clients are not charged.

No, he creates the risk. Creates a wholly unnecessary and unprofessional risk for the purpose of selling snuff videos. He does not sell the tracking, the stalk or any other aspect of hunting. Yes, a kill is part of the hunt, but only PART of the hunt. And anyone who gets an animal to charge has no regard for his own life of that of his client. The man has zero respect for wildlife and is in the game to line his pockets, pure and simple.

I said this before and I'll say it again - if he wants to play "matador" with dangerous game, put down the double rifle and take up a sword. It is my belief that the animal would decide it would rather die by the sword than a rifle shot - more sporting that way.

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475Guy
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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: Grizzly]
#73071 - 04/03/07 10:19 AM

I believe you guys are up in a tizzy over nothing. If you don't like him or his methods(only w/certain clients) then don't go hunt with him. I've heard that besides AD, there are numerous clients who hunt with MS and are successfull with their hunts. One thing about MS, he seems to get one onto some very great trophy animals.

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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: 475Guy]
#73111 - 04/03/07 05:38 PM

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I believe you guys are up in a tizzy over nothing. If you don't like him or his methods(only w/certain clients) then don't go hunt with him.

Do you cinsider this to be a helpful suggestion when it is clear that no one who has been critical of MS would ever hunt with him? Or, more to the point, was you comment intended as a condescending slap to attempt to discredit people who do not share your views?

In either case, that is indeed a pretty high horse you are sitting on. Must be nice to be able to see things others cannot from your perch.

The fact that MS sometimes finds nice animals for his clients matters not. His practices and methods are. He uses noble animals as hollywood props to make money. A good hunt does not produce a charge. But a charge will sell videos. And his antics paint all of us with the same ugly brush.

If you want to defend MS you can do so, without taking a holier than thou stance.

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Showbart
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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: Grizzly]
#73239 - 06/03/07 12:22 PM

This debate will go on forever.

Those who talk of ethics and yet still will shoot a hippo in the water are hypocrites. They are not hunting they are just killing. I don't know who coined the phrase but it wasn't Mark. Capstick used it years ago.

Mark does what he does because he's an adrenaline junkie. It's over the top exciting and I'll hunt with him because I'm a junkie for it too.

Safari snuff films. Gimme a break. Putting down the double and picking up the sword is pretty lame too.

We've had half a dozen long conversations and I like the man. He's passionate, exciting and he makes me laugh out loud.

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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: Showbart]
#73321 - 07/03/07 01:55 PM

I'm with Grizzly. If you want a real adrenaline rush, go to Iraq. Then the odds are a bit more even. There is no respect in your manner of hunting. You are only thinking of yourself.
Please, fall on the sword.

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Grizzly
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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: Showbart]
#73326 - 07/03/07 02:58 PM

Mark does what he does because he's an adrenaline junkie.

That is a profile characteristic shared by a small but well known group worldwide - serial killers. It is called "kill for thrill".

And killing something to satisfy some hormonal need is not hunting.

Is that what you really meant to say?

It's over the top exciting and I'll hunt with him because I'm a junkie for it too. ... We've had half a dozen long conversations and I like the man. He's passionate, exciting and he makes me laugh out loud.

Did you lift this from some dating site? Got to give you credit for standing by your man...Now THAT is on the lame side, but it is funny.

Give it up Showbart, I will not be out-lamed!

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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: Grizzly]
#73329 - 07/03/07 04:00 PM

Am I the only one that thinks WATCHING a Hippo getting shot from the river bank is boring as Hell.I'm sure its not boring if your there in real life.I don't care if its Marks dvd or the Pillsbury Doughboys Safari dvd.I won't spend $50 if its the same boring S%#T as everybody else.I have them all and I watch them all.I hope Mark brings out another soon.Dave

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Savuti_One_Shot
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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: Dave_Hall]
#73347 - 08/03/07 12:42 AM

In the early 90s I bought 1 or 2 of MS's videos. Didn't form much of an opinion on him one way or the other, but having tried to film in Africa, I was curious how he got such exciting footage.

Then I hunted Zim in '94. During the hunt a rumor of MS's gory demise arrived in camp. The 4 PHs in camp were unanimous in their opinion - good ridance. They had not one ounce of respect for someone who deliberately wounds an animal (off camera) in order to get hi-adrenaline footage of charges.

I couldn't agree more.

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Showbart
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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: Savuti_One_Shot]
#73371 - 08/03/07 08:36 AM

Supposedly wounds the animal off camera. Don't think anyone can prove that.

What he's most scorned for is not finishing the wounded animal off but walking up to it close AND doing so with the client (2 big no-no's for PH's, they could lose their license in some countries). Some prefer to let animal "stiffen up" and then go get them. That seems worse to me. MS follows up the buff relatively soon, most still seem to have plenty in them. All this talk of honor and dignity but few address that popping a mostly submerged hippo in water isn't very sporting.

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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: Showbart]
#73380 - 08/03/07 10:52 AM

I agree braining the Hippo in the water might be a safe way to go,but is that really hunting or just getting one.Dave

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Re: Hippo charge of death [Re: Dave_Hall]
#73391 - 08/03/07 12:18 PM

The last time I felt that sorry for a poor dumb animal goaded into an un-winnable fight for the camaras, was when Frank Bruno got into the ring with Mike Tyson.

Dident like the promotor of that fight much either.

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