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hcroveda
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British proof marks of my WESTLEY RICHARDS
      #68740 - 04/01/07 07:58 AM

Help me with the identification of the British proof marks of my new WESTLEY RICHARDS (Confirm or rebated my poor knowledge, please):

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Photo 1: three marks
(left to right)
provisional proof of barrels of the Birmingham Company
Serie’s number of the rifle
Private proof mark of Ketland, Birmingham

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Photo 2:
Between two Private proof mark of Ketland, Birmingham, it’s have the number 38 ???

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Photo 3:
Identification of the cartridge: Express for Nª2 Case or 577-500 Nº2 or .500 Nº2

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Photo 4:
In what year beginning to use this marks?

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Photo 5:
Trade mark and address

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Photo 6:
WM ???
J ???
A ???
/// These marks are repeated in the wood and the action. It’s the gunsmith mark?
83 ??? Could be this the data of production of the rifle or action -1883-?

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Photo 7:
2 ¾ cartridge lengh?
Power 40 ??? This is difficult to read, do you thing that said power or other word? 40 it’s the weigh of power for what caliber? Not for 577-500 Nª2

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Photo 8:
P
W in only one mark (not separated), it’s repeated in two parts of the gun??
2

Below it’s N ???

Thanks in advance and Good Year for everything
(Sorry for my bud English)
Hector

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Re: British proof marks of my WESTLEY RICHARDS [Re: hcroveda]
      #68744 - 04/01/07 09:49 AM

Hector:

None of the marks present are those of Thomas Ketland. The crossed sceptres you see are the Definitive Proof and View marks of the Birmingham Proof House in use from 1813 to 1904. At the establishment of the Birmingham Proof House in 1813, the new marks were patterned after Ketland's private marks, hence the confusion.

In your second photo, left to right, are the View Mark, bore size, and Definitive Proof Mark. From 1855 to 1887, the British Proof houses marked the bore size of rifles as gauge, not decimals of an inch. The "38" is gauge, which is .500. The "No. 2 Case" certainly suggests .577/.500 No. 2. The only way to really tell with a rifle like this is to slug the bore and make a Cerrosafe chamber cast.

Your gun was proved in Birmingham between 1855 and 1887, although obviously much later than 1855. The .577/.500 No. 2 was introduced sometime prior to 1879.

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Re: British proof marks of my WESTLEY RICHARDS [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #68781 - 04/01/07 11:57 PM

400NitroExpress
I slug the bore and is .507", the realy bore of the 577-500 Nº2 (not .510) and I maked a chamber cast.
It is a 577-500 nº2.
Thank you.
Hector

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